cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/61310474

Visiting London for a few days, and noticed a lot of half-mast flags: red cross on a white background (reminiscent of some crusaders, Templars?) any symbolism behind them being shredded? Its a lot of them, must have cost a ton of money…

  • makingrain@lemmy.worldBannedbanned_from_community_badgeEnglish
    26·
    8 days ago

    World cup starts soon. England qualified when these were put up by die hard fans.

    • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
      2·
      8 days ago

      Oh I thought it was just racism. It’s so hard to tell the difference these days isn’t it.

      • fakeman_pretendname@feddit.ukEnglish
        2·
        7 days ago

        If they’re tattered, they’ve been there a while. You’ll know when the world cup flags go up, because they’ll be all over every pub with a TV. The pubs aren’t yet covered in world cup flags. These are racist flags.

      • makingrain@lemmy.worldBannedbanned_from_community_badgeEnglish
        16·
        7 days ago

        Palestine flags were up in areas of the UK… No one cared. Pride flags are everywhere.

        People put the country’s flag up: racism

        They were everywhere in Scotland too. Was that racist?

        • phutatorius@lemmy.zipEnglish
          51·
          7 days ago

          Here’s some contextual guidance: when racist cunts do it, its intent is racist. When other people do things for other reasons, such as to express solidarity with the victims of genocide perpetrated by a different bunch of racist cunts, it’s not racist.

          And in Scotland and Wales, the nationalism is inclusive, so it’s different from the exclusive, violent shit that idiots like Are Tommeh are promoting in England.

          I hope this helps, though I doubt if it will.

          • makingrain@lemmy.worldBannedbanned_from_community_badgeEnglish
            15·
            7 days ago

            This is Guardian-tier brain rot.

            Inclusive nationalism? Fucking hell. Flags went up all over schemes in Scotland at the same time. It’s maddening how the England flag upsets you.

              • makingrain@lemmy.worldBannedbanned_from_community_badgeEnglish
                12·
                7 days ago

                If they were drunk when these flags were put up, that’d be quite the accomplishment. Scaling a ladder or operating a cherry picked when inebreited is quite the skill.

                This stereotype is tired, much like dismissing people as idiots when they clearly aren’t.

                The council should have put them up in the interest of health and safety.

                • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
                  2·
                  7 days ago

                  Yeah I never said they weren’t lucky drunken idiots did I. Anyway for all I know they did fall off the ladder, I wasn’t really inclined to go down and talk to them, as they were not exactly open to the suggestion that perhaps sticking timu flags, upside down, on every single lamp post in the town was a good idea.

                  If they really cared about their country why don’t they go and sort them out now they are a tattered mess? For that matter why didn’t they put them up professionally, all the way at the top of the lamp post, and with appropriate attachment cable so that they can bring it back down again when it inevitably needs maintenance. That’s why the council don’t put up flags because it’s a massive investment in cost to no benefit, and we’re not Americans so we don’t need to weave the flag around all of the time in order to feel big.

                  • makingrain@lemmy.worldBannedbanned_from_community_badgeEnglish
                    11·
                    7 days ago

                    An upside down England flag is the same inverted? Not sure what your point is now. Friday beers?

                    All councils in the future will have our glorious flags flying in front of them, schools, hospitals, HMRC offices, everywherr funded by taxpayers. I wouldn’t put Americans in the flagshagger court - the UK and Europe are generally exceptions not flying flags.