Like ffs. A coworker made an AI powered story reading app for his, is using the kids as test subjects to test the quality of the app and has said that the AI app can get his kids to open up more to it than to him or his wife about their issues. Another coworker finds this interesting.
A third in another separate conversation admitted to going to a white supremacist, neo-nazi concert of some singer and when I said ‘he is a nazi’ she straight up said ‘naah he isn’t people are just making things up’. There is literal evidence of him sieg heiling.
I can’t anymore, people are just in full on psychosis mode and they just don’t see it. I’m giving up on them for real.
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people are fundamentally rational, and what they believe is strongly influenced by their material interests. furthermore, there’s some truth to everyone’s ideology, simply by nature of the fact that it was derived from interacting with the same reality that you and i do. you don’t have to become friends or share everything with everyone, but you should be able to find the truth in each person you interact with and latch onto that in almost any non-confrontational setting. i interact with people i significantly disagree with on a regular basis and it doesn’t bother me at all anymore, although i admittedly have had a lot of practice.
People are not only moving more right only, they are moving a lot more to the left also. I think a pretty good example of this is the support for the far right and far left in east Germany. East Germans are 2 times as likely to support the far right party than west Germans, but they are also 3 times more likely to support the far left party than west Germans.
Of course this dosnt mean everything is alright. As east Germans are still 2 times as likely to support the far right than the far left party.
Also i know that the “far left” party isnt really that far left, but hey, is not that bad.
I get what you are saying. However this isn’t the core of the issue, the issue is that people seem to just not have any semblance of critical thinking anymore, they either never had it to begin with or they gave up.
Reminds me of that meme,
There are two types of Germans, West, and political.
same here, everyone i know is fascist or liberal, imperialist The only exception is a small group in my school and my partner, everyone else is blindly trusting everything they hear from the right. It’s soul-crushing
I feel you. The sheer amount of not-even-crypto-anymore-fascism I have to navigate at work just keeps growing. Dudes proudly letting me know they watch Azov combat footage over lunch. Dudes going on a screed about immigrants and how we should take notes from the slightly more openly ethnonationalist country next door. Dudes glazing Milei, holy shit shut up we’re on the other side of the world. Dudes joking that I’m listening to ***** music in the morning with the hard R because they heard some hip-hop when I took off my headphones. Dudes being very concerned about the accurate portrayal of eUrOpEaN cUlTuRe in the new odyssey slop (a wholly original opinion they came up with based on their knowledge of Homer who they’ve totally read). Dudes absolutely do not rock.
At the very least these people that you mention are aware that they are full on racists, fascists etc. The people I deal with don’t even admit it, they just cower, hide and deny.
the AI app can get his kids to open up more to it than to him or his wife about their issues.
This was a thing decades ago with much simpler scripted “AI”:
https://liacademy.co.uk/the-story-of-eliza-the-ai-that-fooled-the-world/
Many users began to reveal personal and emotional information, believing ELIZA was responding thoughtfully, even though it was merely following scripted patterns without any true understanding.
I think the extent to which people can open up more easily to an AI than to a human says something about culture and vulnerability, and how shitty it can be on creating an environment that feels safe to be vulnerable in, or even using language that is exploratory rather than judgmental.
If a young kid is at the store and says to their parent “I want that toy”, and the parent’s immediate reflex is “no, you already have lots of toys at home” instead of “why is that? What’s interesting to you about that toy?” Well it doesn’t seem surprising to me that a kid in a culture like that might have an easier time opening up to an AI. The kid probably hasn’t worked out beforehand why they want the toy. They’re just trying to learn to express something they feel, a want, a desire. But being heard out, having a nice conversation with a loved one in which they feel safe and happy, I’m sure most kids are going to remember that far more fondly than any specific toy.
And whether kid or adult, this is part of the appeal of chatbots. That they aren’t apt to jump down your throat over something you say. But this is also a problem because there are times when making judgments and setting boundaries matter very much, and the AI is not equipped to stand in for that part properly. It’s just good at standing in for openness (and this is a part people are supposed to be bonding over normally, with each other!)
yeah I just don’t get why someone would want to have a conversation with a chatbot. Is it just comfort? There is no repercussion to sounding ignorant, or mean spirited, or depressed, etc. So I get why if you feel the need to chit chat something that can fundamentally not stonewall you could feel good, but you aren’t progressing in any form of real relationship, there is nothing on the other end that hears what you told it, its an empty enigma of information that will be spit out what you told it to some other person who finds its comforting to spew their thoughts into that void. Its also shit as an intermediary, even text leaves out basically every form of emotion, body language, tonality, etc. to socializing, why would you want your message to be tailored into something you didn’t come up with.
From what I’ve observed, it’s not always the same thing with every person. But for some people, it’s to help with loneliness. For some, it’s a supplementary thing. For some, they have traumas and such things where it’s hard to find anyone to talk to about it and they feel they can say it to the AI.
As for body language and such things, a lot of chat frontends allow you to set an avatar for the AI, so then it’s similar to talking to somebody on discord as the level of emoting goes. When putting it in that context, you could as well ask, what is fulfilling about texting a real person? Or talking to them on a forum?
My experience is, it’s not fulfilling in the same way that in-person interaction is even when you’re sure it’s a real person on the other end, but sometimes it’s all you’ve got.
I don’t think it’s a healthy thing to be depending on a chatbot, but part of the reason for that is because much of the time, people are depending on a black box corporation for the service. And I’ve seen up close times when people were burned by such a corporation. Like slapping filters on an AI and it suddenly acting differently and upsetting people for that reason.
OTOH, there are times talking to a chatbot has helped people process something and feel a bit better. So it’s complicated.
In a communist world, it’s likely none of us would feel any need to find comfort in an AI cause we’d have it from others. But capitalist alienation and isolation has created the conditions for chatbots to step in.
I think the extent to which people can open up more easily to an AI than to a human says something about culture and vulnerability, and how shitty it can be on creating an environment that feels safe to be vulnerable in, or even using language that is exploratory rather than judgmental.
100%. Really cooking with this take.
I think the extent to which people can open up more easily to an AI than to a human says something about culture and vulnerability
it’s pretty strange…people being more open to reveal themselves to an app that logs all their secrets and it’s more likely that reveal them in other ways (like leaks or being sold as merch) would usually be considered less reliable than a human, but here we are
They are delusional but they’re also not saying what they mean. People are often the most delusional about their ability to get away with lies due to a countervailing, widespread irresponsibility known as politeness. It has minimal crossover with actual politeness. I can’t speak more on this here. It’s too dangerous
Wtf does all this even mean???
I thought you were talking about crypto-fash at first, but the last part loses me.
