I thought we were supposed to punch Nazis in the face. Here, it looked like a Nazi was punished for his racist opinions.
It turns out he wasn’t a Nazi. Some people of color had falsely accused him and covered up the severity of the attack on him. But in the Lemmyverse, we can tell who’s who, so the Nazis don’t need a trial.
White guy was stabbed by a brown person. Brown person denied the stabbing and said the white person attacked him and it was racially motivated. Brown person was not attacked and white person ended up not being a racist piece of trash. Police arrested bleeding white guy, white guy tells police he is stabbed and can’t breathe. Police told white guy he was not stabbed and white guy died because of his injuries while being arrested.
I appreciate you summarising the actual story/news article, but that is not what I was asking about.
My comment was a reply to rambling about… “Lemmy says to punch Nazis and this is what happens when you don’t allow people to make mistakes” which was barely comprehensible, chock full of false assumptions about what happened and what Lemmy users think, and topped off with a smidge of Nazi apologia.
I think the comment I replied to has since been removed as I can’t see it anymore, so I’m guessing you saw my comment as a top-level comment. No biggie.
Anyway, while I’m here, I’ll leave my actual thoughts on the story itself, which is that it’s a horrible tragedy. It’s also sickening how the far right are hijacking his parents’ grief to stir division and make some delusional point about white people being oppressed in the UK. Police have a lot to answer for on this one.
I can hear your silent rage as we honour all those Nazi killers in the past. Why are you bringing up the 40’s anyway?
Is it ok to kill Nazis? Shoot them, bomb them, gas them, firebomb them? History tells us it’s so, certainly mistakes were made, but we consider it a net good. But merely punching them? That’s beyond the pale.
When people talk about punching Nazis in the face, they are talking (mostly) about people who were not even alive in the 1940s, let alone official members of the Nazi Party. They’re talking about people who are in the modern right wing, or centrists, or in some cases liberal Democrats.
They advocate punching such people in the face because their hateful rhetoric can lead to violence.
You’re the one connecting the celebration of bombing and “murdering” (I guess you think acts of war and judicial executions are murder) Nazis in the past to punching Nazis now. I think it wasn’t OK to stab this victim even if he called the other guy a slur for Pakistanis. But others advocate extrajudicial acts of violence against “Nazis” where it’s their rules and perceptions that determine who is a Nazi and who is not.
Bombing Birmingham because it might have some people with Nazi-adjacent political opinions seemed like a logical extension of your train of thought. You were mocking me for thinking punching Nazis is wrong because it was celebrated to kill actual Nazis during war and for crimes against humanity 80 years ago. So let’s resume the bombings then.
I don’t think we should stab or punch people because we suspect they are Nazis. If they commit a crime, let the criminal justice system take care of it. I’m not in favor of vigilantism.
I thought we were supposed to punch Nazis in the face. Here, it looked like a Nazi was punished for his racist opinions.
It turns out he wasn’t a Nazi. Some people of color had falsely accused him and covered up the severity of the attack on him. But in the Lemmyverse, we can tell who’s who, so the Nazis don’t need a trial.
What in the world are you talking about?
White guy was stabbed by a brown person. Brown person denied the stabbing and said the white person attacked him and it was racially motivated. Brown person was not attacked and white person ended up not being a racist piece of trash. Police arrested bleeding white guy, white guy tells police he is stabbed and can’t breathe. Police told white guy he was not stabbed and white guy died because of his injuries while being arrested.
I appreciate you summarising the actual story/news article, but that is not what I was asking about.
My comment was a reply to rambling about… “Lemmy says to punch Nazis and this is what happens when you don’t allow people to make mistakes” which was barely comprehensible, chock full of false assumptions about what happened and what Lemmy users think, and topped off with a smidge of Nazi apologia.
I think the comment I replied to has since been removed as I can’t see it anymore, so I’m guessing you saw my comment as a top-level comment. No biggie.
Anyway, while I’m here, I’ll leave my actual thoughts on the story itself, which is that it’s a horrible tragedy. It’s also sickening how the far right are hijacking his parents’ grief to stir division and make some delusional point about white people being oppressed in the UK. Police have a lot to answer for on this one.
I think maybe I get it, and there could be a reasonable thought buried deep in the short spurt of nonsense.
But dude’s gotta learn to speak if that’s the case.
A world in which it’s ok to punch Nazis in the face because no one ever makes a mistake.
I can hear your silent rage as we honour all those Nazi killers in the past. Why are you bringing up the 40’s anyway?
Is it ok to kill Nazis? Shoot them, bomb them, gas them, firebomb them? History tells us it’s so, certainly mistakes were made, but we consider it a net good. But merely punching them? That’s beyond the pale.
Noted. We should be bombing Hampshire.
Noted. You think Hampshire is full of Nazis? Why do you think Hampshire is full of Nazis?
How do you get from, history celebrates those that killed Nazis and that’s bad, to bombing Hampshire?
When people talk about punching Nazis in the face, they are talking (mostly) about people who were not even alive in the 1940s, let alone official members of the Nazi Party. They’re talking about people who are in the modern right wing, or centrists, or in some cases liberal Democrats.
They advocate punching such people in the face because their hateful rhetoric can lead to violence.
You’re the one connecting the celebration of bombing and “murdering” (I guess you think acts of war and judicial executions are murder) Nazis in the past to punching Nazis now. I think it wasn’t OK to stab this victim even if he called the other guy a slur for Pakistanis. But others advocate extrajudicial acts of violence against “Nazis” where it’s their rules and perceptions that determine who is a Nazi and who is not.
Bombing Birmingham because it might have some people with Nazi-adjacent political opinions seemed like a logical extension of your train of thought. You were mocking me for thinking punching Nazis is wrong because it was celebrated to kill actual Nazis during war and for crimes against humanity 80 years ago. So let’s resume the bombings then.
So punching someone in the face it’s equal to stabbing someone to death, according to you?
I don’t think we should stab or punch people because we suspect they are Nazis. If they commit a crime, let the criminal justice system take care of it. I’m not in favor of vigilantism.