Do you condone or condemn the use of the term by… goys 😂
I understand the tentativeness to use the term but I’ve yet to see a fully articulated argument for it being fascist/reactionary ect.
Personally choosing to avoid it is sensible but denouncing other people without being able to establish why its wrong is… questionable.
Unlike other slurs like the n word, there isnt an established consensus on it. I would understand not giving a more sophisticated explanation for the denouncing of the use of the n word by a white person because its well established why its a slur. But goy is a different circumstance given its only recent rise in the western lexicon. “Me no like”, “4chan uses it” doesn’t hold water.
All I’ve really heard is reactionaries use it therefore you cant. Reactionaries also use Liberal, and woke. But obviously such terms are perfectly acceptable. (Woke as in a radlib ect).
Surely Palestinians, Muslims, ect are permissed, who is not?
How does it compare to technically ableist language like idiot, moron ect. I don’t see people policing such language at any level comparable to goy.
IMO the increase in the use of the word is net good and basically irrelevant. Making it into a bigger issue is counterproductive.
What can I say… I’m just a goy after all.
If Palestinians read this post I’m sure they’d be happy to hear that the imperial core is taking on the important issues like tone policing, and an examination of language fringe, irrelevant groypers use😍. /s
Throughout all this I have seen nothing that shows ill intent from opiumfree towards Lemmygrad, because all of this came across as a continuation of a reddit spat. I have no context, no links, and no receipts to follow on. Whatever opiumfree may have said on reddit is not something we noticed them saying on lemmygrad. I don’t even know what their reddit account would be to check for myself, so I’m once again asking myself what the whole point of this was to achieve – not that we need to go and check.
If we want Lemmygrad to be higher-quality than reddit then we should not bring reddit witch hunts over here. People are allowed to be newbies and ask questions and get things wrong without threads being made about them.
I echo a point that was pointed out to you @Cletus@lemmygrad.ml, about continually referring to opium’s profile picture as a “thirst trap”. It was requested that you reflect on why you would jump to calling a portrait of a woman wearing make-up a “thirst trap” or an “IG model” in lieu of a temp ban, so I’ll respect that request and leave moderation involvement at this comment response. People are allowed to have profile pictures that you don’t necessarily agree with, and there’s nothing sexual or out of line with this picture. Feds have also used profile pictures of Lenin and we wouldn’t call those thirst traps.
But I do see animosity from you towards opiumfree and I hope this will taper out and we won’t have to intervene again, because this is not conducive to a welcoming environment and eventually one of the two is going to leave and never come back. So let’s avoid that before it’s too late, no?
In the future:
I think from now on if someone has concerns about another user they should just prepare a summary and send it to an admin. We’ll relay it to the rest of the team and take it from there. Lemmy is lacking some tools to effectively moderate and manage an instance (imo) so this is the best I can offer. This goes for everyone. Usually just monitoring suspicious accounts will reveal wrecking tendencies.
As for people asking ‘newbie’ or ‘provocative’ questions: on the one hand, people are allowed to ask questions and be wrong. On the other, I agree that people should fill out the body text and explain their own understanding of the question so far. This is beneficial to their own learning, and for the others answering them. Collectively, we should promote an atmosphere of learning and progressing as a marxist, not just asking questions for the sake of seeing what others have to say about this or that random topic. People answering someone’s questions take time out of their day to do so, so the least one can do is to engage with the answers. This is beneficial to everyone.
If we want to be better than reddit then we have to decide if we’re going to be a welcoming space, or an elitist space… like reddit. I don’t have the final say myself, this is something the community should discuss, but what does it communicate to newcomers when there’s a thread on this or that user every other month calling them out for stuff nobody has context for? It’s not kiwifarms level but they’re also the only other forum I know that do this type of stuff against their own users. It’s basically causing stress and forcing someone to come in and defend themselves publicly.
I personally can’t remember any call out post lead to any productive conclusion on Lemmygrad. These ‘struggle sessions’ posts seem to just be a soapbox to air out dirty laundry and reinforce one’s own beliefs.
So:
I will lock this thread soon if there’s no more discussion and consider it the end of that chapter.