Throughout all this I have seen nothing that shows ill intent from opiumfree towards Lemmygrad, because all of this came across as a continuation of a reddit spat. I have no context, no links, and no receipts to follow on. Whatever opiumfree may have said on reddit is not something we noticed them saying on lemmygrad. I don’t even know what their reddit account would be to check for myself, so I’m once again asking myself what the whole point of this was to achieve – not that we need to go and check.

If we want Lemmygrad to be higher-quality than reddit then we should not bring reddit witch hunts over here. People are allowed to be newbies and ask questions and get things wrong without threads being made about them.

I echo a point that was pointed out to you @Cletus@lemmygrad.ml, about continually referring to opium’s profile picture as a “thirst trap”. It was requested that you reflect on why you would jump to calling a portrait of a woman wearing make-up a “thirst trap” or an “IG model” in lieu of a temp ban, so I’ll respect that request and leave moderation involvement at this comment response. People are allowed to have profile pictures that you don’t necessarily agree with, and there’s nothing sexual or out of line with this picture. Feds have also used profile pictures of Lenin and we wouldn’t call those thirst traps.

But I do see animosity from you towards opiumfree and I hope this will taper out and we won’t have to intervene again, because this is not conducive to a welcoming environment and eventually one of the two is going to leave and never come back. So let’s avoid that before it’s too late, no?

In the future:

I think from now on if someone has concerns about another user they should just prepare a summary and send it to an admin. We’ll relay it to the rest of the team and take it from there. Lemmy is lacking some tools to effectively moderate and manage an instance (imo) so this is the best I can offer. This goes for everyone. Usually just monitoring suspicious accounts will reveal wrecking tendencies.

As for people asking ‘newbie’ or ‘provocative’ questions: on the one hand, people are allowed to ask questions and be wrong. On the other, I agree that people should fill out the body text and explain their own understanding of the question so far. This is beneficial to their own learning, and for the others answering them. Collectively, we should promote an atmosphere of learning and progressing as a marxist, not just asking questions for the sake of seeing what others have to say about this or that random topic. People answering someone’s questions take time out of their day to do so, so the least one can do is to engage with the answers. This is beneficial to everyone.

If we want to be better than reddit then we have to decide if we’re going to be a welcoming space, or an elitist space… like reddit. I don’t have the final say myself, this is something the community should discuss, but what does it communicate to newcomers when there’s a thread on this or that user every other month calling them out for stuff nobody has context for? It’s not kiwifarms level but they’re also the only other forum I know that do this type of stuff against their own users. It’s basically causing stress and forcing someone to come in and defend themselves publicly.

I personally can’t remember any call out post lead to any productive conclusion on Lemmygrad. These ‘struggle sessions’ posts seem to just be a soapbox to air out dirty laundry and reinforce one’s own beliefs.

So:

• fill out your posts when making them
• if you have concerns about a user prepare a report to the admins and we’ll take it from there.

I will lock this thread soon if there’s no more discussion and consider it the end of that chapter.

Okay, first of all, ‘goy’ is just a (less formal) synonym of ‘Gentile’; it comes from Hebrew גּוֹי, where it is likewise neutral, and it is not a pejorative like ‘shegetz’, ‘shiksa’, or (classically speaking) ‘uncircumcised one’. ‘Goy’ does have an informal tone to it in English, like calling somebody ‘dude’, but Jews do not usually apply the word contemptuously and I have called myself a ‘goy’ before. It is analogous to the Roma calling us ‘gadje’.

As for Gentiles using the word ‘goy’, I think that it is fine if they have proven theirselves trustworthy. If we know that you are Jew-friendly then it is unlikely to irk anybody, but if a stranger is using it then that is more questionable because we don’t know if they are either applying it in good faith or in a crude attempt to ape Jewish speech. With all of that being said, I am not Jewish myself, so my opinion does not count for much here. It would be better to consult somebody like @AYJANIBRAHIMOV@lemmygrad.ml for this — if he feels like weighing in.

I think obsessing over word use is counterproductive and it’s better to understand where people are actually coming from. Some words are coded one way or another way because of who tends to use them but in the end the user of a word can have very idiosyncratic intentions with it and it’s better to just take the time to get to know them and then you will know for sure how they’re meaning it.

In terms of my own communications I’d avoid it in serious (inc. jokes meant for a wide audience rather than a contained one) content because of the connotations.

I just read your responses to opiumfree post and honestly, by the way that you got hyperdefensive by misinterpreting their post as “everyone that uses the term goy is a reactionary”, and the fact you deemed the pfp a “thrist trap”, and brought up reddit drama from months ago it makes you seem extremely childish at best and a incel at worst.

I think you are the one that should put more effort into your posts.

i was also asking a question because i wouldnt understand why neo nazis would call each other that. i didnt tone police anyone. i dont care what terms palestinians use, wtf, the post does not mention palestine at all…

There are videos of israhelli soliders using it as a slur while expelling Palestinians.

Goy is some kind of symbol of Jewish supremacy, It’s usage reminds the violence of the Israelis toward Palestinians and (far less significantly) toward non jews,

Jewish supremacy does not represent jewishness i am not an antisemite I promise,

but among all supremacies today it is the deadliest and most violent one and introducing goy in our language helps pointing at it’s violence

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