This is a shift Europeans are having to make reluctantly
Yes it was reluctantly at first, but I don’t think it is so much anymore.
EU has shown to be better at handling a crisis situation than we ourselves expected, and unity in EU and Europe on the issue, has resulted in way less reluctance as programs are decided upon in unity, like the EU SAFE program that for instance Canada and Japan have joined.
The strong cooperation in EU and Europe in many areas has shown us that we can act with decisiveness in unity when it counts. And when pressured from outside, the EU countries can stand together.More than at any previous time, European policymakers are having a crisis of faith in the American system itself
Abso-fucking-lutely!
The problem is not just Trump, it’s the American population and the Republicans and the American dysfunctional democracy.The two Franco-British-led coalitions of the willing, formed to organize European action in the Ukrainian and Gulf theaters, are cases in point.
Exactly, the success of the European determination to help Ukraine without USA is amazing. 👍 😎
help Ukraine without USA i
Has the USA stopped delivering weapons and stopped doing reconnaissance?
Yes, all weapons from USA are now bought at a 10% surcharge by NATO countries that continue to support Ukraine, and the coalition of the willing.
USA may help with things that cost them nothing, but as it is now, USA is profiteering extra from it’s allies on weapon deliveries to Ukraine.
Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
USA has been zero help since Trump became president, where USA actually has helped Russia more, for instance allowing them full access to Starlink. Which was finally ended earlier this year.Fuck USA!!
Yes, all weapons from USA are now bought at a 10% surcharge by NATO
So no, the US still delivers, they just made the EU pay for it.
They made their ‘allies’ pay a 10% surcharge… and then spent the ammunition on a fruitless war with Iran instead. So, no, they are not sending weapons or ammunition any more.
It just highlights the dependency on the US. To frame it as if the EU is fighting without the US gives the opposite impression.
Supporting Ukraine is peanuts compared to Rearm Europe, and none of that goes to the US.
The US must own major shares in EU weapon manufacturers. They knew the war was coming at the latest when Biden warned about it, but more likely when Russia sent the green men or even earlier. They will get their share.
The big picture is that China is taking over all markets and the EU is compensating by creating demand. It also creates the opportunity to go to war with China.
From an American perspective, the more Europe builds its own capacity the better because everything will be needed to fight China.
How would you call it? Fighting with or alongside the US? Or is it neither?
Trick question because I think we are fighting for the US.
The usual link:
in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
We are past that opportunity but the EU and Russia could have formed an economic union and could have become that challenger.
Instead China is about to become that challenger. The US cannot isolate China if Russia is delivering all necessary resources. So the US is using the Ukraine war to weaken Russia to change that somehow.
Buying the weapons is not a problem. Buying government bonds was the way of the EU to finance the US
governmentweapons programs. With tariffs that has shifted to direct purchases.So to the EU it looks like we just defend Ukraine. But the big winner is the US because they achieve their long-term goal, which turns the with into a for.
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Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
So no, even when profiteering extra from it, USA is unreliable.
Why are you always like this? Always with something stupid that is clearly false?!?!Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
Do you have a source for that? They have haltet rockets for the Patriot system because there is a shortage. But there is no general stop like in 2025.
Recent news are about increased delivery.
To keep the Ukrainian armed forces supplied for the fight against Russia, NATO allies purchase complex weapons from the US through
- Mai 2026 The US State Department approved a potential $373.6-million sale of Joint Direct Attack Munition-Extended Range tail kits to Ukraine.
https://thedefensepost.com/2026/05/06/us-jdam-er-ukraine/
Why are you always like this? Always with something stupid that is clearly false?!?!
I think I could demonstrate that it is correct. There are still deliveries. If that makes me look stupid I have to live with it.
US diverting 20,000 missiles promised for Ukraine to the Middle East
So despite these missiles were already bought and paid for even at a 10% surcharge, Trump and Pentagon decided to not honor the deal.
There may still be deliveries, but USA has once again shown they are not a trustworthy ally, and they are not even a trustworthy supplier.Trump and Pentagon decided to not honor the deal.
That’s one weapon system. It doesn’t change that the US is still a, or even the major weapon supplyer.
The rockets were more urgently needed in the middle east. The US can be blamed for many things but that decision is understandable.
USA has once again shown they are not a trustworthy ally,
No doubt about that.
There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, ‘Fool me once, shame on…shame on you.’ Fool me—you can’t get fooled again."
To know the history of the US and to expect to be treated differently than the Philippines is a risky move.
Furthermore, the EU won’t be stable for long. If Russa and China are eliminated, what will the EU be for the US strategically but a challenger?
There are no longer delivered support between allies, they only now deliver sold products to their customers.
Before they were paid in mining rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–United_States_Mineral_Resources_Agreement and Germany buying US government bonds.
After the tariffs, they don’t want a trade deficit, so the money is spent directly.
The war is still coordinated from their base in Wiesbaden. (German) https://www.hessenschau.de/politik/nach-trump-ankuendigung-wiesbaden-vorerst-nicht-von-us-truppenabzug-betroffen-v1,kein-truppenabzug-in-wiesbaden-100.html
France providing majority of intelligence for Ukraine
Also US stopped all ait to Ukraine since Trump took office, and even withheld some thst was allocated under Biden
https://www.cfr.org/articles/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine
Then he put tariffs on it so Europe has to pay more
Then US stopped sending even those already paid for
Looks like the US is still fighting much of the war, but the EU is financing it.
In December, Budanov said Kyiv remained critically dependent on Washington for intelligence, including satellite imagery and early warning systems for ballistic missile launches.
A French defence ministry official also declined to comment directly on the president’s claims, but said much of the intelligence France provides is technical in nature.
Despite strained relations between Washington and Kyiv, there has been no indication that the United States has sharply reduced its intelligence support for Ukraine.
Europe finances 100%, but how much is used to buy weapons from the US? 50%?
The 34 countries of the Coalition of the Willing are financing “100 percent” of the resources granted to Kyiv, including financial support, Macron said.
The US hasn’t stopped all weapon delivery.
VP said stopping US aid to Ukraine is their proudest achievement
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/vance-calls-ending-aid-ukraine-070611609.html
They still provide weapons, however I don’t know the terms of the new agreement passed last year.
No they don’t provide weapons. They’re selling weapons to Europe who provide weapons.
That’s like saying the supermarket provides food to the poor instead of the soup kitchen.
Yes, the aid part. But they are still delivering the weapons.
the officials who are would likely better understand the value of Ukrainian territory.
I am sure they do.
Trump or rather the US elite have decided to end the trade deficit. Making the EU buy all these weapons balances all the products that the US needs from Europe.
They still need to beat Russia to isolate China. Having the EU fully committed to the war makes that easier.
Well, I’d rather believe Macron than your speculations. I think it’s pretty clear EU and allies cover all weapons purchases for Ukraine since Trump took office so nearly 2 years now I don’t understand what are you arguing about? It’s pretty clear and well documented
The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity as the communications were not public, said several European countries will be affected, including in the Baltic region and in Scandinavia.
Some of the weapons in question were purchased by European countries under the Foreign Military Sales program, or FMS, but have not yet been delivered, the sources added.
How convenient they stopped weapon deliveries to countries bordering and closest to russia, Trump would never…
rather believe Macron than your speculations
Not mine but a French defence ministry official and the head of Zelensky’s office
I don’t understand what are you arguing about?
That money is just money. The war still depends on US weapon systems.
How convenient they stopped weapon deliveries to countries bordering and closest to russia,
They need rockets right now in the middle east. I wouldn’t judge this as strategic neglect.
The US have to break down Russia to get China. Unless you see the US handing over the lead to China there is no need to worry about their interest in beating Russia. All the uncertainty is just there to put the Europeans in place.
Yes
Has the USA stopped delivering weapons and stopped doing reconnaissance?
Has the USA ever stopped making their money first and then let it look as if they were delivering weapons and helpful goods?
This goes back to America’s eventual involvement in WW2, which occured only after the UK let America raid all its patents and tech. Very mercenary.
Yep, stopped over a year ago
They stopped paying for it, if we ignore the mineral deal, but they haven’t stopped delivering.
You’re right, they only indefinetely postponed delivering.
Do you have a source? They need the rockets in the middle east, but have they stopped delivering all weapons?
Easy way to discard the problem, those kind of things are never announced. European Union and Ukraine aren’t concerned about deliveries just for the fun of it.
Then what’s your source that they are concerned about more than the rocket delivery, which is justified?
Quietly? I’M GOING TO AVOID AS MANY AMERICAN PRODUCTS AS I CAN
I took it one step further and try my darndest to choose local products where possible, and if not, smaller EU businesses. Unilever, mondeles, nestlé, etc are companies I now try to actively avoid. Because once we loose the small actors we no longer have any choice left at all. Unfortunately the end game for unregulated markets always end up with monopoles. I know our EU market is regulated, but the enforcement against the actors invested in anti-compeditive behaviours are pretty toothless in my opinion.
Must say the local/small alternatives are actually in most cases better. Ritter Sport chocolate is in my opinion more tasty than marabou and better size. The local ice cream producers also have more interesting options, and Arvid Nordquist coffee taste better. What I am trying to say is that I’m not missing out quite the opposite.
Same, but it’s hard. I do like the variety that comes with small local businesses so it’s a win in my book. As long as i can afford it that is
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Hey, speak for yourself I ain’t quiet about it!!!
I’m both quiet and loud about it
I was pleasantly surprised to learn recently that a bunch of my friends have also removed most american products from their lives. one friend just buys whatever suits his needs, and moves on. but most of the rest of us in that group have made a conscious choice to not buy american products and/or choose Canadian products instead, without it impacting our lives in any noticeable negative way (cost, availability, quality, etc)
I think the largest impact this has had on me is that the closest grocery store to me has a shitty selection of pickles, it’s still half Bick’s and I’d rather not have pickles than buy american pickles
How do you quiet quit a country that you don’t live in? I’m not planning to travel to the United States anytime soon but I’m worried that they will not understand that I’m boycotting them and will think I’m simply not going.
Do I need to write a letter or something?
That’s what quiet quitting is. You quit without making a big deal out of it.
Canada hasn’t been quiet about avoiding american brands. Like, entire sections of empty shelves in liquor stores that used to carry american brands and the like. But you can totally do that quietly, if you prefer the quiet approach.
I’m trying to think if I really seen any American liquor brands in Europe anyway. The only thing I can think of is Jack Daniels and no one buys that. All the wine always seems to come from New Zealand for some reason.
As usual, I like the understated tone and visibility of European long term policy. No big announcement, no statement, just small decisions that change the landscape over time. Once you see the full picture, everything is already in place.
Makes sense. You can’t win by announcing anything because Trumps ego is too easily bruised, any deal you do make with him can be null and void a week later and if, at some point, there are adults in the room again, you will be in a better negotiating position.
Never thought about it like that. I think the unanimous voting system could really require policy makers to push things in small increments that can easily be overseen and are often hard to decypher. I’ve always seen as unnecessary rigidity. But I guess it really does have its benefits. Thanks for the change in perspective!
It also gives some boundaries what can be done. Single lunatic voted in can’t do unlimited damage before next election. But it’s not a “hard rule”, even big changes can be made somewhat quickly if there’s sufficient majority behind the change, there just very rarely is. Also, small changes are easier to sell to their peers, so slow and steady changes are kind of built in to the system from the ground up.
“Single lunatic voted in” did a lot of damage exactly through unanimous vote. That’s how Orban stopped a lot of good things.
Unanimous vote can work with a group of maybe 5. With more than that and you always will have too much bickering and blocking.
I don’t think there is anything quiet about it. This has been a long time coming and frankly as an American I don’t know why it was not done sooner.
I’M QUITTING AS LOUD AS I CAN.
I’M WITH THIS GUY. EVEN THE BAR I WORK EXTRA AT HAD TO STOP STOCKING JACK DANIELS CAUSE IT JUST WONT SELÖ ANYMORE. ANECDOTAL COMMENT IS ANECDOTAL.
Are you sure it’s just not because Jack Daniels is rubbish? I used to drink it a lot when I was an teenager but that’s because I couldn’t afford anything else and I didn’t know any better.
Could be. It is shite. But one of the bartenders did ask when did we last sell Jack or take up a new bottle? And its just untouched to the point where we removing it from shelves.
I always thought the fact that it was rubbish was half the point? It’s not for quietly enjoying - it’s for mixing with coke and rock music and getting shitfaced.
Feeling this at my company.
The amount of time I have spent working with European customers has dropped a lot. They are doing whatever they can to buy European instead.
Crazy compared to how freely things worked out years ago. Early 2000s I worked at a company basically doing stuff with all sorts of folks from USA to Europe to Russia to China.
not from israel though.
Even from Israel considering the movement is buy from EU.
But I do wonder what common brands/products are from Israel?
Some products that are commonly used throughout the world that originate from Israel that you should boycott immediately:
- Babylon (digital dictionary)
- Unilever (does not originate from Israel but does manufacture many food products in Israel)
- Amora
- Amora
- Aromat
- Best Foods
- Bovril
- Brooke Bond
- Colman’s
- Continental
- Hellmann’s
- Knorr
- Lady’s Coice
- Maille
- Marmite (As in Marmite branded Marmite)
- Robertson’s
- Salsa Lizano
- Sir Kensington’s
- Turun sinappi
- Unox
- Klik
- Maizana
- Pfanni
- Pot Noodle
- Pot Rice
- Sealtest
- Buavita
- Horlicks
- Jif (lemon and lime juice, not the peanut butter)
- All laundry detergent (the brand, not literally all laundry detergent)
- Breeze laundry detergent
- Breeze
- Cif
- Comfort fabric softener
- Dixan laundry detergent
- Persil
- Rin
- Rinso
- Skip laundry detergent
- Snuggle fabric softener
- Sunlight dish-washing detergent
- Surf laundry detergent
- Wheel detergent
- Axe/Lynx products
- Brylcreem
- Camay
- Clear beauty products
- Close-up toothpaste
- Dove soaps
- Glow & Lovely
- Lifebuoy rubbing alcohol
- Liril
- Linic
- Lux
- Mentadent
- Noxzema
- Pears transparent soap
- Pepsodent
- Pond’s
- Radox
- Rexona (AKA Degree, Sure, Shield, and Rexena) deodorant
- Schmidt’s naturals deodorants and soaps (WHAT?! GODDAMMIT!! My wife will be displeased to learn of this)
- Seventh Generation (My wife will be unshocked to learn of this)
- Shea Moisture (WHAT!? GODDAMMIT!! I AM DISPLEASED TO LEARN OF THIS)
- Signal toothpaste
- Simple skin and body care
- SR toothpaste
- St Ives lotion
- Suave
- Sunsilk (AKA Sedal, Seda, and Elidor)
- Toni & Guy
- TRESemme
- Vaseline (AKA Vasenol)
- Vim (not the text editor)
- VO5
- White Beauty
- Zendium
- Noblesse cigarettes
- Sabra
- SodaStream
- Pepsi (American, but heavily involved in Israeli politics)
- Coca Cola (American, but heavily involved in Israeli politics)
- IWI
- Uzi
- Desert Eagle
- Waze
- Google Maps (mostly through its relationship to Waze)
- Yokohama tires
This is some serious Savonarola’s shit.
(I looked up this name and I don’t think I’m in community with enough Catholics to understand what this means)
And then there is the UK signing up for Star Shield… Ugh
Quiet quitting? I don’t think this is the right term at all. IMO Europeans, and tourists from any other country for that matter, have made it quite clear that there are a lot fewer of them that want to visit the US or buy products associated with the US. I don’t think they’re being quiet about it at all.
Just gonna leave this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU
One of the few reasons I still use Reddit.
Better invite them here, what’s the point of switching from US stuff by doing it on US platform despite having alternative?
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
“Inviting” then here is not very effective when the majority just can’t be bothered to.
There are already plenty of communities by that name. Shamefully none of them are active.
I’m not asking them to create this community, I’m asking to join here, increase user count and make this place more alive. What’s the point of this silly movement if they stay there? That’s totally counterproductive
It’s not a “silly” movement and it had to start somewhere. And your attitude is certainly not inviting, but rather condescending. The issue of Lemmy is that the userbase can be insufferable in that way.
Guess you start with platform you’re using instead of asking which ketchup is European, no wonder US is laughing at this, ye go there announce how how hard you’re trying to divest from US using their platform
4 posts https://vger.app/posts/lemmy.wtf/c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk/search/posts/ketchup
0 posts https://vger.app/search/lemmy.wtf/c/buyfromeu@feddit.org/search/posts/ketchup
vs
15 posts on reddit and i just got bored counting https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/search/?q=ketchup
seems like the logical thing to do for the time being would be to use that subreddit. no point in getting rid of reddit first then not being able to find any alternatives when you search here
I mean, the movement just started. Give it some time. Lemmy, like Linux, will only grow. But it will definitely not replace reddit, but rather exist alongside it.
It’s up to the userbase to keep the climate inviting here, and we should strive for that instead of criticizing the people indirectly supporting this somewhere else. Also, I don’t know what your comment is saying.
You have to be retarded if you don’t understand this chain of comments. You coming here advertising reddit to support your noble cause of switching to European alternatives and feel offended I didn’t play fanfare for you? Guess same BuyFromEU community is here, nobody needs your silicon valley advertisement so if that makes it uninviting you guessed right. Now feel offended and go back undercutting EU services somewhere else
Reddit can go suck a duck. I would not even passively read reddit.
Thank you for your effort
Username checks out
Almost too quietly.
I was going to say, not so quietly. Everyone everywhere is walking back from the US. The relationship is, at best, a salvage operation.
I agree it hasn’t been entirely quiet, the Greenland affair definitely wasn’t quiet, with many countries stating publicly that they supported Greenland, some of them even sending troops.
Also the Iran war has been criticized by many European leaders as illegal, and USA has at best limited access to airbases controlled by European countries.
Also on trade, when Trump threatened to increase tariffs on EU again, the response from EU was swift, that in that case EU might resort to the Bazooka, a political “weapon” designed to be used against China id necessary, but that could be used against USA too.It has been so clear that Europeans have lost patience with Trump, that Trump has literally raged against it at times.
TBH, that’s the best way to deal with the Trump administration. Try to get away as far as possible. Try to get out of those dependences. But do not talk loud about it, because if so, the demented orange will totally attack you.
Everyone is maneuvering away from the US and Americans are going to find themselves very alone in the world one day, their only partners being those who are also without allies or friends, just like Donald Trump’s personal life. America, rebuilt in the image on DJT.
