• Footer1998@crazypeople.online
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    those systems of oppression and exploitation go back hundreds and maybe even thousands of years, at what point do you recognize that it just sucks

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      I call it the grow-explode-grow theory

      A powerful kingdom turns into a tyrannical empire. Empires grow and exploit others till they collapse due to too much power concentration and fewer people benefiting from it. Then smaller kingdoms and republics are built on the ruins of empires. The cycle repeats. It depends on which unfortunate part of the cycle you happened to exist. Also with modern globalisation and capitalism it seems the different parts of the world are now in sync with each other which makes “the empires” even stronger but their eventual collapse more detrimental.

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        empires rise and fall but the fall doesn’t ever make things better, it just changes who is doing all of the exploitation and often makes things worse.

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          Well the thing is no empire truly fall. They leave behind, a seed, a catalyst for the next empire. If not destroyed then you’re still in the cycle and hope becomes temporary.

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            no, you’re missing the point. empires are irrelevant. you’re thinking of it like it’s some strategy game. it doesn’t matter if the empire is completely destroyed, the heirarchies of oppression themselves will remain - capitalism, patriarchy, the police, the military, the clergy, the judiciary, the bureaucracy, whatever.