• wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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    Declaration of Independence mentioned.

    Also, from Shakespeare: “The undiscovered country from whose bourne | no traveler returns puzzles the will | and makes us rather bear those ills we have | than fly to others that we know not of. | Thus conscience does make cowards of us all.”

    By the way,

    The lesson is that people shouldn’t have to settle for things because they don’t have a choice. In anything. Work, relationships, health, food.

    The original liberalist philosophers argued that if one is constrained by lack of available choice, then they are not truly free at all, and that true liberty requires equality for this reason.

    That’s why I say neoliberalism isn’t even liberalism. Maybe call it pseudo-liberalism. In any case, it’s a conservative economic policy. True liberalism is a humanist political philosophy.

    People who don’t know anything about it look at me like I’m crazy whenever I say that. “Hurr durr, ‘liberal’ is in the name.” You know when fascists and tankies agree on hating something, then it must be doing something right.

    Also, when tankies curse “liberals,” they’re talking specifically about neoliberals, so it’s really a misnomer. Funny enough, when fascists curse “liberals,” they’re talking about Marxist-Leninists (who obviously are not liberals either).

    So it’s like actual liberals are caught between these two extremist camps, and both sides view them as the other side because they can’t see through this false dichotomy and anti-nuance campist polarization. So obviously to tankies, liberals must be fascists; and to fascists, liberals must be commies.

    And liberals are just like, “We’re neither. You’re both assholes.”

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      Thanks for that on the label “liberal”. I grew up thinking of myself as a Gen-X liberal, and somewhere along the line missed it changing meaning. So for the longest time I’d hear it referred to negatively and by certain groups, and was so confused. I hate labels. I prefer to discuss ideas to understand the true meaning, and the online culture has slowly killed that form of communication.

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        Yeah, nuance isn’t allowed these days. It’s all buzzwords, kneejerk reactions, manufactured outrage, faux pas, social scripts, campism, conformity, purity tests, and dick-measuring contests. On both sides of the political spectrum.

        Pretty sure this was deliberate on the part of Russian cyber influence ops.