Individual rights and freedoms, the things that supposedly separate the “democratic” west from its “authoritarian” adversaries, are being shredded on behalf of Zionism.
Individual rights and freedoms, the things that supposedly separate the “democratic” west from its “authoritarian” adversaries, are being shredded on behalf of Zionism.
He was going to the UK to collaborate with Corybn and speak at the Oxford Union, advancing in the heart of a major zionist powerbase real anti-zionism
The fact you cannot clock that deplatforming Hasan in itself hurts the Palestinian cause, as if that deplatforming doesn’t send a powerful signal to other more vulnerable pro-Palestinian voices
No, instead what matters is your oppression Olympics ass perception of Niemöller’s poem and your hyper obsession with fellow travelers who dare engage in electoralism in a country that kills socialists when they step outside the legalist boundaries. And you think I’m gonna trust your ability to “call shit” on anything?
The bane of radlib electoralism is more important in your mind than the realized threat of zionist fascism, that’s the Gordian knot you’ve twisted yourself into
And you know what I give that? A resounding FUCK OFF and not because I particularly care what you think about Hasan, but because youre trivalizing a real threat and as far as I’m concerned that shit is anti-solidarity
I don’t think it needs to be such a hostile discussion. I think it tends to get this hostile when people overestimate the importance of individual voices. No-one is going to change policy over our discussions. If it convinces people to act or not act in some circumstances it will do so in a much wider environment of discussions not on its own. Some people think Hasan is misleading people into an electoral political road that will just win them fell for it again awards. Some people think Hasan is bringing attention to Palestinian issues and anti-Imperialist narratives that people already on that path need to hear and won’t hear easily without him. Both those views have justifiable arguments for and against. It doesn’t have to be this hostile, we’re all just people having a chat, nothing we say will make or break anything. Some minds might be changed, but even that will be in unpredictable ways because we don’t control most of the factors that will effect how they receive our words, only our words.
again, i specifically said this hurts the palestinian people. i don’t understand why you keep trying to call me out on things that i not only never said, but in fact said the opposite. maybe i wasn’t clear enough in my original comment. i guess that’s on me. the intent of the original comment was to strongly disagree with the notion that we shouldn’t criticize hasan, that such criticism is trivial or meaningless, or that such criticism represents “schadenfreude”. all three of those things are wrong but i guess a lot of this stems from how i zeroed in on the schadenfreude thing and never actually mentioned the word in my response.