It’s a quote by Martov (Menshevik) as he was speaking up against the Cadets and the way they were handling the war.

“You call us defeatists; but the real defeatists are those who wait for a more propitious moment to conclude peace, insist upon postponing peace until later, until nothing is left of the Russian army, until Russia becomes the subject of bargaining between the different imperialist groups. You are trying to impose upon the Russian people a policy dictated by the interests of the bourgeoisie. The question of peace should be raised without delay. You will see then that not in vain has been the work of those whom you call German agents, of those Zimmerwaldists who in all the lands have prepared the awakening of the conscience of the democratic masses.”

As Russia was losing territory to the German army in the first world war, it seems like there was a side that wanted the war to last as long as possible, no matter the cost, and Markov was against it.

This kind of reminds me of the current war in Ukraine. The people opposed to the war and that wanted a peace deal to be made, were called German agents, right now we are called Russian agents.

Also, as Martov was saying, what will more fighting achieve? The country would just be left without an army, destroyed, and completely defenseless against the foreign powers and this is being done just because the rich are benefitting from it momentarily as of now.
Anyone that supports the people of Ukraine right now should be on the side of peace as soon as possible, I can’t possibly see how their people could benefit from more death and destruction, and it seems like they were having the same debates in Russia during WWI.

Honestly, it seems like a great book as of now, if you haven’t read it, I suggest it to anyone that is interested in the history of the Russian revolution.

  • Juice@midwest.socialEnglish
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    1 day ago

    I love Ten Days, one of the most exciting books I’ve ever read.

    Its also a big disappointment how Jack Reed says over and over, “I’ll discuss this subject more in the sequel.” And its like, holy shit there’s more to this amazing book, but then you look it up and he was killed by a nasty melon before writing it

    • normal_user [they/them, any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      11·
      1 day ago

      Yes, the first thing I did when he said a title for another book he was writing was looking it up online, to add it to my list of books I want to read, and I immediately founding out he could never actually write it because he died so early.

      So sad, he writes so well I really wanted to have more from him about Russia in the time he was there.

  • Breath_Of_The_Snake [they/them, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    81·
    1 day ago

    The sooner peace occurs, the less people get liberated from the banderites in the ukraine. Yes, the RF is very far from ideal. It’s still a better state to be a part in many ways with a brighter future. Lenin made a terrible mistake, this war is fixing it

    • normal_user [they/them, any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      12·
      1 day ago

      I mean, most of the people in the front lines nowadays have been forcibly conscripted, so for every banderites that get killed, I’m sure there are many people who did not want to fight.
      Also I’m not talking against the annexation of Easter Ukraine into the RF, clearly the stats show that in those places, there are mostly Russian people, and some of those places were only given given to the Ukrainian Republic under the USSR for administrative reasons. Also it’s not realistic to expect Russia to give away the territory that it has now been holding for so long.

      My post was about how, for the average Ukrainian, there is no reason to fight the war, just like it seems that there was no reason to fight in WWI for the average Russian.
      Not fighting is actually the better option for the average person, but all the liberals want more war, more death, more destruction and somehow think that that will lead to better outcomes.

      • AstroStelar [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        3·
        1 day ago

        Small correction: Russian-speaking people, where appraisal of Russia and the USSR was (historically) favourable. In terms of ethnicity only Crimea is majority Russian, in the Donbass it’s one-quarter to one-third, with rates in the other areas much lower.

  • SirSmoothAES@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    2·
    1 day ago

    Isn’t this a bad example since the Soviet Army went on to win the war and the world was objectively better for it?

    If you’re arguing for peace in Ukraine you couldn’t pick a worse historical parallel.