Firstly, sure, Israel is not a legitimate state and definitely should not exist, and probably is the worst thing Stalin ever allowed to happen. Now, let’s leave all that aside, and take the worst case scenario where they manage to “win” in their terms, meaning that they manage to replicate what the USA did, and genocide the Palestinians fully.

Aren’t they essentially doomed to be a dysfunctional broken state like the USA? All the so called gun violence, constant fear and surveillance, racial tensions, foundational inequality, etc. Essentially, can a settler state ever be rid of the inherently violence and brutality that gave birth to it? Why would you even want this?

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    It’s like a town with heavy industry polluting all the surrounding environment. A lot of the inhabitants will forcefully defend the factories that bring them a steady income and wave away concerns about the pollution. However the owners of the factories, getting rich, have homes elsewhere and will pull out of the area altogether whenever there’s a sniff of consequences coming their way.

    These oligarchs are happy to poison everything as long as they can get richer and more powerful now. They will promote fascists to control the population, eschew ethical worries and take the blame when the dust settles.

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    Essentially, can a settler state ever be rid of the inherently violence and brutality that gave birth to it? Why would you even want this?

    Settler state built on genocide. How can they get rid of it? It’s a contradiction of existence the of the Isn’treal. No genocide, no Isn’treal. No Isn’t real, No exploitation of the global south by the imperialists.

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    can a settler state ever be rid of the inherently violence and brutality that gave birth to it?

    Probably not.

    Why would you even want this?

    Money and power for yourself and a select few.

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      I was asking for the average settler. Not that I expect them to care or have morals or anything, still it looks like that getting what they want is a hell of a poisoned prize.

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    because fear is the breeding ground for capitalist exploitation (work for cheap or i fire you) so the answer to why the pigs would even want this is, as always, ammassing capital.

    and because selling is the only thing they are good in, they manage to sell it as a good thing to the to-be-exploited.

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      Careful what you genocide for, because you’ll never be over it.

      Ironically, in the Torah the Hebrews start their origin story by pretending to have genocided the Canaanites, but that was just them… The folks who wrote that story truly set themselves up for the ultimate payoff.