I truly did not want to make this post, but since apparently not a single person here or in the other thread told you off for suggesting communism as an alternative for Germany I guess I have to.

Frankly it is quite disgusting, not only tone deaf, that communism is being suggested by you, even though Germans, the same people that are still alive to this very day, have well experienced DDR and what it brought for Germany in terms of economic and social changes. You can have a look at various map breakdowns of Germany to see how East Germany fares to this day in economic development, average income, HDI and voting patterns. Suffice to say, the DDR was hardly a good state to live in, especially in the 80s when the Warsaw Pact was going through economic downturns. That’s not even mentioning just how authoritarian the state was. If you ask any older person in East Germany, most of them will tell you that they personally know someone who was in the revealed Stasi files. A massive secret police that would only rival the KGB in its prominence and repressive measures. People died trying to cross the Berlin Wall into the West, for lord’s sake.

A centrally planned economy has been tried and simply did not bring prosperity to the region. And while there were certain things DDR improved upon, it’s legacy is a shameful stain on Germany’s history. Die Linke knows not to brandish its ties to the former DDR establishment, why don’t you? To suggest that Germany, I don’t know… simply gives it another chance is incredibly insulting to the point I don’t think you comprehend what you are even stating. If you go to Dresden or Berlin and tell anyone there that perhaps they should try communism if the CDU is disappointing, expect to be slapped on the face. Communism has made its reputation in the former Eastern Bloc clear, no one wants it back. No one wants to consider a vaguely M-L state ever again. Even in Yugoslavia, which was somewhat Market Socialist, the memory of it is anything but fond. And while Socialism in some vague form may take roots there, it will not be without working within the capitalist economy that those governments have tried so hard and so painfully to switch to.

I have seen a few instances of people telling the former Warsaw Pact countries to try again and every time it was nothing short of outrageous. And before you say “well obviously I meant the better forms of communism, like my strain of it”, word your statements better and do not try to even call it communism if you are trying to pitch it to them. One would know better than to call upon the name of the system that the general populace there understands as a deeply totalitarian system where you’d get harassed if not killed for mounting any opposition, even legal, to the ruling government.

https://knockout.chat/thread/83322

User in question is Polish (but moved away)

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The response to it ain’t any better either lol

  • Soot [any]@hexbear.net
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    Every time I hear this level of self-assured assertion that Easten Europeans would stab you daring to utter the word communism, it seems to be a Polish person saying it. Is this falsehood just a part of their national educational curriculum or something?

    Far from being, “hardly a good state to live in”, most East Germans specifically say life was good there.

    20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany. “The GDR had more good sides than bad sides. There were some problems, but life was good there,” say 49 percent of those polled. Eight percent of eastern Germans flatly oppose all criticism of their former home and agree with the statement: “The GDR had, for the most part, good sides. Life there was happier and better than in reunified Germany today.”

    -Speigel, 2009

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      The real reason I know that the DDR was good is because every East German that crossed over during that period literally makes that their entire personality, and are among the most irritating people I have ever had the pleasure of speaking to (and I didn’t even speak to them about politics).

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      Every time I hear this level of self-assured assertion that Easten Europeans would stab you daring to utter the word communism, it seems to be a Polish person saying it. Is this falsehood just a part of their national educational curriculum or something?

      Yeah