I try to get exposure to non-corporate news, I try to join protests when they’re close enough and I have the time, but just staying fed and housed takes up an absurd amount of my time. Despite that, I try when I can. And when I end up discussing it with a bunch of people who profess to care deeply and know what must be done, I don’t get genuine suggestions for how to help or anything like that.
You barge into an enti-genocide space promoting genocidaires and whine when you are criticized for bad faith behavior after receiving tons of responses trying to help you understand. You reply to those responses by digging in your heels and demanding sources and repeating your original false claims ad nauseum. The fact that you think you aren’t the problem here is itself the problem. No humility in the face of knowing your own political naivete, happy to make excuses and blame everyone else, while you still belabor falsified talking points and ignore what people write to you.
You would not be useful in a pro-Palestine organizing space. You haven’t learned to decenter yourself or accept criticism and would drag everyone around you down. Politics is not about you. To quote a great thinker, “get the fuck over yourself”. You will only be useful when you can subsume yourself to the cause, and that includes prioritizing learning about it and developing correct opinions on it. This isn’t a hobby or a media franchise to argue about on the internet, it’s not Superman vs. Batman, it is a world historical project to end unfathomable oppression.
I get verbally abused and accused of advocating for it
See, you still don’t understand why people have written you off. No responsibility taken. You fundamentally don’t understand how to speak or act and are still reacting purely defensively. This is why I have given up the pretense of respecting you: you were acting like this long before anyone was directly pointing it out. Basically everyone gave you leeway - at first.
I’m here with an open mind
You have demonstrated the exact opposite. You are intransigent, deflect from criticism of your ideas, and lead with condescension. You have a false self image.
and trying to engage in good faith
Clearly this is not the case. You seem to not even recognize evasive bad faith behavior even when it is laid out for you specifically and with examples. Your response, even then, is continued evasion. You have to take responsibility eventually or you’ll always have these experiences.
Responding to comments does not make good faith by the way.
taking the time to read and respond as best I can to almost every single one, I’ve probably responded to closing in on 20 comments with 20+ notifications remaining,
That’s not very many. This… demonstrates good faith? Personally, I think good faith is about responding germanely, taking feedback seriously, and not being dishonest in interactions.
and so far, only one or two have tried to actually engage and provide information.
This is a lie. I’ve seen at least six or seven and I’m not even trying to keep count. I’m one of them. You have a pattern of trying to ignore correction, including with specific examples, and trying to cling to the original falsehoods and repeat them as nauseum. Again, you need to spend time reading not replying one by one. It’s clear your focus is on rescuing your bad and harmful ideas comment-by-comment target rather than developing understanding.
The vast majority have only tried to make me feel like an idiot for disagreeing.
You should feel like an idiot for disagreeing, your ideas are bad and harmful, they aren’t your item, and you’re publicly doubling down on them over and over again. That’s a foolish thing to do. At no point were you forced to open your yapper and do any of that.
Now, if we focus just on the original sin of saying some bad and harmful ideas, you’ll see that the direct responses are correcting you. They explain how and why you are wrong. It is only after you double down and act like you need to be convinced (as if you knew anything in the first place) and did no research of your own and seemingly have no actual interest in the topic beyond “vote for genociders” that the disrespect piles on. And it’s not unique to this comment section, you also exhausted the patience of others discussing Ukrainian neo-Nazis where, again bathed in liberal talking points and the associated ignorance, your proceeded to engage in bad faith, treat your own baseless claims as the default truth and demand explanations and citations from others lest you withhold your agreement (oh no!).
I’ve learned a little about the situation as a result of it, but most of what I’ve learned is that Hexbear is full of bitter assholes who will pile on to verbally abuse me for disagreeing.
Yes it’s our fault that you promoted genociders and responded in bad faith to correction. If only we had responded with patient explanations first! Oh wait. We did and that didn’t work either.
Sounds like a you problem.
I never said things just happen later
Yes you did. You were extremely vague about what happens later, so I am describing this accurately. Despite me prompting you five or six times and explaining why you have nothing to actually do after promising to perma-vote for Democrats no matter if they do genocide, you still have nothing and refuse to address why you have nothing. You just deflect over and over again.
and I explicitly said to do it and then go do whatever you think is most effective.
It is amazing that you think this is a different plan from “and then things just happen”.
This is the type of thing I’m talking about when I complain of people putting words in my mouth. They avoid things I explicitly said to make it easier to belittle me and what I’m saying.
No, I accurately described what you’re saying: you have no plan for after voting for Dems no matter what. This vague hand waving lets you pretend otherwise, but we know very well that you don’t even care about the political project, you don’t actually think about how the changes would actually happen, and yet you pretend to be explaining how they do.
The point was never to stop doing what’s most effective. The point was to elect whoever of the available candidates will be most vulnerable to those effective things.
No, the point was “vote Blue no matter who” and then you don’t really have any actual thoughts. You think things will just happen after that. Somehow after giving away leverage you will gain leverage. But you don’t know how. You say they will be moved left, pressured, forced. But you don’t know how. That’s not your priority. You haven’t thought about it. And when I correctly point this out, you aren’t honest about it.
Everyone here is so sure they know the Right Way that I’m not even gonna try to say what that is
You don’t even know what it is, and there is still variety here so it’s not just one thing. See, you are still fibbing and trying to save face. Just acknowledge ignorance when you have it. People who do know things can easily clock a fibber. You aren’t actually saving face, you’re building a bad reputation.
but whatever you think it is, one of the two potential victors is more vulnerable to that than the other.
Your thinking is to devoid of mechanism that you believe Democrats are always more vulnerable to every single possible means of opposition than Republicabs. Literally. This is your impregnable belief system, it does not require evidence or coherence or logic.
I think Democrats would be easier to break overall compared to Republicans. I don’t think either will be easy to break, but that’s all the more reason to push the odds in our favor by influencing who we’re trying to break.
See how you pointlessly repeat your original claims and beliefs? Do you not even recognize the irony in repeating this in response to what you quoted? Do you not see the irony in hand waving about what actions are taken after voting for Blue No Matter Who? You’re just proving me right.
Or maybe I’m just not intimately familiar with every community on the internet.
And yet you have assumed we don’t know electoralism and repeatedly try to explain it despite it being quite obvious that we’ve heard this all before. I’ve told you repeatedly that we have. Yet you can’t stop yourself from trying to place yourself in the lecturing position, completely pointlessly talking about FPTP as if it addresses anything we’ve said (it doesn’t). You’re really just navel gazing, repeating your own understanding to shore up your own confidence, but it’s condescending and demeaning to the people directly in front of you.
Like I keep saying: shut the fuck up and read. You don’t know who you’re talking to or what you’re talking about. Until you realize this you cannot learn and be less harmful.
I saw a post, I made a response, turns out everyone here has a very particular set of views, which is becoming more and more apparent as I work through the dozens and dozens of responses I got.
This is seemingly your first experience with the left. This is how little you understand politics. So why are you still arguing?
I didn’t seek out Hexbear to start shit with a specific community
Your claims and behavior would be wrong and unacceptable regardless of context, though I’m sure you’d find plenty of agreement in genocide tolerant liberal spaces.
I can stumble across your posts if anyone in my instance subscribes to the community, and you may think it arrogant to point that out here on Lemmy, but I’d remind you you seem to have forgotten there are ways to find yourself commenting here without intimate familiarity with the community norms.
Why am I supposed to care about this? Community norms? When did I say anything about community norms? Your bad behavior is bad in any space.
You barge into an enti-genocide space promoting genocidaires and whine when you are criticized for bad faith behavior after receiving tons of responses trying to help you understand. You reply to those responses by digging in your heels and demanding sources and repeating your original false claims ad nauseum. The fact that you think you aren’t the problem here is itself the problem. No humility in the face of knowing your own political naivete, happy to make excuses and blame everyone else, while you still belabor falsified talking points and ignore what people write to you.
You would not be useful in a pro-Palestine organizing space. You haven’t learned to decenter yourself or accept criticism and would drag everyone around you down. Politics is not about you. To quote a great thinker, “get the fuck over yourself”. You will only be useful when you can subsume yourself to the cause, and that includes prioritizing learning about it and developing correct opinions on it. This isn’t a hobby or a media franchise to argue about on the internet, it’s not Superman vs. Batman, it is a world historical project to end unfathomable oppression.
See, you still don’t understand why people have written you off. No responsibility taken. You fundamentally don’t understand how to speak or act and are still reacting purely defensively. This is why I have given up the pretense of respecting you: you were acting like this long before anyone was directly pointing it out. Basically everyone gave you leeway - at first.
You have demonstrated the exact opposite. You are intransigent, deflect from criticism of your ideas, and lead with condescension. You have a false self image.
Clearly this is not the case. You seem to not even recognize evasive bad faith behavior even when it is laid out for you specifically and with examples. Your response, even then, is continued evasion. You have to take responsibility eventually or you’ll always have these experiences.
Responding to comments does not make good faith by the way.
That’s not very many. This… demonstrates good faith? Personally, I think good faith is about responding germanely, taking feedback seriously, and not being dishonest in interactions.
This is a lie. I’ve seen at least six or seven and I’m not even trying to keep count. I’m one of them. You have a pattern of trying to ignore correction, including with specific examples, and trying to cling to the original falsehoods and repeat them as nauseum. Again, you need to spend time reading not replying one by one. It’s clear your focus is on rescuing your bad and harmful ideas comment-by-comment target rather than developing understanding.
You should feel like an idiot for disagreeing, your ideas are bad and harmful, they aren’t your item, and you’re publicly doubling down on them over and over again. That’s a foolish thing to do. At no point were you forced to open your yapper and do any of that.
Now, if we focus just on the original sin of saying some bad and harmful ideas, you’ll see that the direct responses are correcting you. They explain how and why you are wrong. It is only after you double down and act like you need to be convinced (as if you knew anything in the first place) and did no research of your own and seemingly have no actual interest in the topic beyond “vote for genociders” that the disrespect piles on. And it’s not unique to this comment section, you also exhausted the patience of others discussing Ukrainian neo-Nazis where, again bathed in liberal talking points and the associated ignorance, your proceeded to engage in bad faith, treat your own baseless claims as the default truth and demand explanations and citations from others lest you withhold your agreement (oh no!).
Yes it’s our fault that you promoted genociders and responded in bad faith to correction. If only we had responded with patient explanations first! Oh wait. We did and that didn’t work either.
Sounds like a you problem.
Yes you did. You were extremely vague about what happens later, so I am describing this accurately. Despite me prompting you five or six times and explaining why you have nothing to actually do after promising to perma-vote for Democrats no matter if they do genocide, you still have nothing and refuse to address why you have nothing. You just deflect over and over again.
It is amazing that you think this is a different plan from “and then things just happen”.
No, I accurately described what you’re saying: you have no plan for after voting for Dems no matter what. This vague hand waving lets you pretend otherwise, but we know very well that you don’t even care about the political project, you don’t actually think about how the changes would actually happen, and yet you pretend to be explaining how they do.
No, the point was “vote Blue no matter who” and then you don’t really have any actual thoughts. You think things will just happen after that. Somehow after giving away leverage you will gain leverage. But you don’t know how. You say they will be moved left, pressured, forced. But you don’t know how. That’s not your priority. You haven’t thought about it. And when I correctly point this out, you aren’t honest about it.
You don’t even know what it is, and there is still variety here so it’s not just one thing. See, you are still fibbing and trying to save face. Just acknowledge ignorance when you have it. People who do know things can easily clock a fibber. You aren’t actually saving face, you’re building a bad reputation.
Your thinking is to devoid of mechanism that you believe Democrats are always more vulnerable to every single possible means of opposition than Republicabs. Literally. This is your impregnable belief system, it does not require evidence or coherence or logic.
See how you pointlessly repeat your original claims and beliefs? Do you not even recognize the irony in repeating this in response to what you quoted? Do you not see the irony in hand waving about what actions are taken after voting for Blue No Matter Who? You’re just proving me right.
And yet you have assumed we don’t know electoralism and repeatedly try to explain it despite it being quite obvious that we’ve heard this all before. I’ve told you repeatedly that we have. Yet you can’t stop yourself from trying to place yourself in the lecturing position, completely pointlessly talking about FPTP as if it addresses anything we’ve said (it doesn’t). You’re really just navel gazing, repeating your own understanding to shore up your own confidence, but it’s condescending and demeaning to the people directly in front of you.
Like I keep saying: shut the fuck up and read. You don’t know who you’re talking to or what you’re talking about. Until you realize this you cannot learn and be less harmful.
This is seemingly your first experience with the left. This is how little you understand politics. So why are you still arguing?
Your claims and behavior would be wrong and unacceptable regardless of context, though I’m sure you’d find plenty of agreement in genocide tolerant liberal spaces.
Why am I supposed to care about this? Community norms? When did I say anything about community norms? Your bad behavior is bad in any space.
Split comment again