No. No mechanism at all is forthcoming. You cannot explain the basics of what would actually happen to make them change. How a demand would be met. This is, as I have explained, because you simply haven’t thought through it that far. You don’t know. The point of your rhetoric is to try and convince people to vote Dem, not effect political change, so you have specific recommendations and explanations for the former and vague hand-waving for the latter.
Perhaps you’ll develop the courage of your convictions and address this and acknowledge that you have no idea what the next step of your plan is. The part where you actually get things to happen.
If things like protests didn’t have a chance of working, they wouldn’t bother brutalizing protesters
Actually, American cops just kind of like doing that to people. And politicians are beholden to capital and that is who they are actually responding to. Broken windows is $$$ for the bourgeois class. The chamber of commerce won’t give you money for your next mayoral campaign unless you put a stop to it.
Protests do not inherently challenge anything except for what is immediately in their presence or that has a direct material impact. Most are basically just parades for liberals to vent and obtain false catharsis. They need to do more, intentionally or accidentally, to have a chance of “working”.
PS, what did Democrat-run cities and then Biden do in response to the BLM protests? Short term, long term? Did the policy demands result in those policies? Did they stay policy? Did the exact opposite policies get implemented?
or getting schools to force protests to shut down.
That’s the Zionist lobby. Perhaps you’re familiar with it. They understand their project is heavily dependent on constant material support for Israel and use soft support as a way to secure it.
If boycotting Israeli goods was ineffective, Trump wouldn’t have tried blocking FEMA funds to states allowing or participating in boycotts.
Trump happily uses any proxy for “enemy” constituencies to go after them. Boycotts generally do not work, not directly. Their primary value is in spreading consciousness and creating opportunities for organizing conversations. If you had ever done any work at all on this topic you’d probably be aware of this, at least a bit.
People in here probably also have some great ideas for ways to amp up the pressure.
I’m sure they do but they don’t mean anything unless they serve organizing.
Look, I’d love to be more involved. As is, I don’t hardly have any time to myself, so god only knows why I spend what meager breaks I can get responding to people who tend to verbally abuse me for not being able to spend more keeping up with shit.
No, you are being verbally abussd for pretending at knowledge, having a much higher bar for evidence from others than from yourself, acting in bad faith, and for repeating genocidaires propaganda in support of genocidaires. I was actually patient with you at first until it rapidly became clear you were full of shit and trying to weasel out of having honest conversations. You want to lecture, not listen, and the topic is an ongoing fucking genocide done by the people for whom you advocate.
You can always, you know, shut the fuck up. You don’t have the knowledge to share opinions as you do. I don’t get down on people who approach these topics with appropriate humility: humility in accordance with their experience. You are a political baby. Ask. Questions.
Anyways, you can see that I correctly clocked your lack of taking any action at all or developing knowledge on this topic. Why do you think I clocked it? Do you think you should change your behavior?
But unless someone wants to help subsidize my bills, I’m barely staying afloat. I try to keep up, I try to learn from more than the corporate propaganda, I try to be mindful of where my money goes, and if I’m really lucky, I get to join in on a protest rarely. In a vacuum, yeah, there’s so much more I could do, but unfortunately, I need to not starve.
See the defensive posturing. See, I never told you to do anything. I told you to shut the fuck up about a serious topic that you don’t understand but are eager to spread misinformation and wrong-headed, genocide supportive views about. I point out that it is obvious you haven’t done anything on this topic because that would have exposed you to knowledge you do not have and because you obviously don’t really even care about it. It’s been 2.5 years and you’re still playing catch-up on the early days propaganda and organizing messaging? Why the fuck do you think you can lecture is about this?
Maybe if people like me, who are trying to do what they can but have hardly any time to keep up with this specific thing on top of all the other terrible things happening, were met with less vitriol when we came in here, you guys could persuade some of us.
You’ll recall that I patiently explained things in my first 3 comments before it became clear that you were bullshitting. Tolerating bullshitters saying things antithetical to correct politics is not good organizing or persuasion. It gives them the false impression that their views are respectable and that it’s okay to interject like this without seeking understanding. You would be removed from the pipeline of any competently organized left group on account of this tendency. Maybe put into a front group where you can do less damage, but really folks that don’t respond appropriately to correction eventually make themselves a big enough problem that they either get removed or create a split, wasting everyone’s time and emotional bandwidth.
You’ve been better than a lot of people, but you’re still not above calling me an advocate for genocide just because you disagree on how to stop it.
It is because you say to commit to unwavering support to vote for people doing genocide. You can’t even quote what I said because you are too afraid of the reality, too defensive, to resistant to correction, even though you are dead wrong.
And you dig yourself a deeper and deeper hole with every response. Alienating every person you think, incorrectly, you are on the side of. You are not us. You have to change if you want that to be the case. You must destroy your liberalism, and that includes dishonesty.
Not that my methods are flawed, not that it won’t work, that I am actually advocating for genocide
Quote me.
so while I appreciate that you seem to have mostly tried to engage in good faith and I thank you for that, I’m also gonna have to throw in a “fuck you” for that.
Poor baby is now parroting my words rather than directly engage.
No. No mechanism at all is forthcoming. You cannot explain the basics of what would actually happen to make them change. How a demand would be met. This is, as I have explained, because you simply haven’t thought through it that far. You don’t know. The point of your rhetoric is to try and convince people to vote Dem, not effect political change, so you have specific recommendations and explanations for the former and vague hand-waving for the latter.
Perhaps you’ll develop the courage of your convictions and address this and acknowledge that you have no idea what the next step of your plan is. The part where you actually get things to happen.
Actually, American cops just kind of like doing that to people. And politicians are beholden to capital and that is who they are actually responding to. Broken windows is $$$ for the bourgeois class. The chamber of commerce won’t give you money for your next mayoral campaign unless you put a stop to it.
Protests do not inherently challenge anything except for what is immediately in their presence or that has a direct material impact. Most are basically just parades for liberals to vent and obtain false catharsis. They need to do more, intentionally or accidentally, to have a chance of “working”.
PS, what did Democrat-run cities and then Biden do in response to the BLM protests? Short term, long term? Did the policy demands result in those policies? Did they stay policy? Did the exact opposite policies get implemented?
That’s the Zionist lobby. Perhaps you’re familiar with it. They understand their project is heavily dependent on constant material support for Israel and use soft support as a way to secure it.
Trump happily uses any proxy for “enemy” constituencies to go after them. Boycotts generally do not work, not directly. Their primary value is in spreading consciousness and creating opportunities for organizing conversations. If you had ever done any work at all on this topic you’d probably be aware of this, at least a bit.
I’m sure they do but they don’t mean anything unless they serve organizing.
No, you are being verbally abussd for pretending at knowledge, having a much higher bar for evidence from others than from yourself, acting in bad faith, and for repeating genocidaires propaganda in support of genocidaires. I was actually patient with you at first until it rapidly became clear you were full of shit and trying to weasel out of having honest conversations. You want to lecture, not listen, and the topic is an ongoing fucking genocide done by the people for whom you advocate.
You can always, you know, shut the fuck up. You don’t have the knowledge to share opinions as you do. I don’t get down on people who approach these topics with appropriate humility: humility in accordance with their experience. You are a political baby. Ask. Questions.
Anyways, you can see that I correctly clocked your lack of taking any action at all or developing knowledge on this topic. Why do you think I clocked it? Do you think you should change your behavior?
See the defensive posturing. See, I never told you to do anything. I told you to shut the fuck up about a serious topic that you don’t understand but are eager to spread misinformation and wrong-headed, genocide supportive views about. I point out that it is obvious you haven’t done anything on this topic because that would have exposed you to knowledge you do not have and because you obviously don’t really even care about it. It’s been 2.5 years and you’re still playing catch-up on the early days propaganda and organizing messaging? Why the fuck do you think you can lecture is about this?
You’ll recall that I patiently explained things in my first 3 comments before it became clear that you were bullshitting. Tolerating bullshitters saying things antithetical to correct politics is not good organizing or persuasion. It gives them the false impression that their views are respectable and that it’s okay to interject like this without seeking understanding. You would be removed from the pipeline of any competently organized left group on account of this tendency. Maybe put into a front group where you can do less damage, but really folks that don’t respond appropriately to correction eventually make themselves a big enough problem that they either get removed or create a split, wasting everyone’s time and emotional bandwidth.
It is because you say to commit to unwavering support to vote for people doing genocide. You can’t even quote what I said because you are too afraid of the reality, too defensive, to resistant to correction, even though you are dead wrong.
And you dig yourself a deeper and deeper hole with every response. Alienating every person you think, incorrectly, you are on the side of. You are not us. You have to change if you want that to be the case. You must destroy your liberalism, and that includes dishonesty.
Quote me.
Poor baby is now parroting my words rather than directly engage.