I’m not familiar with these strategies, so I can’t vouch for them. If you want to elaborate or link something, I’d be open to looking into it.
I referred to ONE strategy (I guess you still aren’t really trying to read what is written to you) and it was that of the genocidaires, in this case including the Biden administration and the electoral party machinery that he led. You need a citation that Vote Blue no Matter Who, Genocide Edition is one of their strategies?
Yes, the idea is not to just settle for slower.
That isn’t what I said. Quote my whole paragraph and deal with it or, again, shut the duck up.
I referred to ONE strategy (I guess you still aren’t really trying to read what is written to you) and it was that of the genocidaires, in this case including the Biden administration and the electoral party machinery that he led. You need a citation that Vote Blue no Matter Who, Genocide Edition is one of their strategies?
I meant that I don’t know what you’re talking about when you say strategies by and for those who work against genocide. It’s a very vague statement that gives me nothing to research, nor does it provide any reading material.
That isn’t what I said. Quote my whole paragraph and deal with it or, again, shut the duck up.
Have you ever considered that you might be a lot more persuasive if you were less of an asshole about it? I’ve nearly left this thread several times not because of the discussion, but because of the vitriol I receive in here. Before you say “good, fuck off”, I’ll say again that I’m here actively trying to engage with almost every single comment I receive and inviting information to challenge my preexisting beliefs. You could be making a convert, but frankly, this community is full of raging assholes, and even if I agreed with everything here, I’m not sure I’d want to associate with them because they’re raging assholes to anyone who disagrees with them. You’re doing better than most, but you’re still frankly an asshole about it. I’ll admit I’ve slipped on that front, too, but I try to only do it with people who have been complete dicks to me first.
But fine. Here we go.
In the nation state that is doing genocide, making genocide intolerable is what will help “slow it down”. Having a red line. Not constantly giving genocidaires what they want because they’ve bamboozled you into believing they’re the less evil genocidaires.
Well, a bunch of people decided it was intolerable to vote for a Democrat because of it, and now things are still going in Gaza, we’re in Iran, we might be in Cuba soon, we’ve abducted the leader of Venezeula, and we gave Israel a chance to get into Lebanon. Meanwhile, the Democrats are finally giving up on their attempt to hide the autopsy report, refusing to acknowledge Gaza was a serious problem for them, and still not pivoting to standing against genocide. It sounds an awful lot like we made the situation worse without gaining anything at all, so I’m not so sure this is the brilliant strategy you seem to think it is.
You should also remember that the logic you are presenting is not a strategy for and by those who work against genocide. It is a strategy by and for the genocidaires themselves.
Just addressed this above, leaving it here so you don’t try to paint it as dodging something.
PS, stopping genocide requires actual intervention directly against the genocidaires and actively working against them. It means you don’t condemn Hamas, you vocally celebrate them as a resistance faction against genocide, warts and all, and utterly condemn those who work against them, including the Democratic Party. It means you do real work to support the resistance and to oppose those who work against it.
Being on the right side overall doesn’t give you carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want without question. Some tactics are condemnable regardless of who uses them. That’s not a comment on anything in particular they’ve done, just a disagreement with the idea that you support them no matter what. Celebrate the good they do, absolutely, but nobody should be above condemnation for doing wrong.
I meant that I don’t know what you’re talking about when you say strategies by and for those who work against genocide.
Oh. You don’t? Let’s be clear: you don’t know what the people who actively organize against genocide are doing, the tactics and strategies they have? Square this with the fact that you are making recommendations on what to do. Are you really interested in learning? What have you self-informed about so far? WHat will you do with this information?
It’s a very vague statement that gives me nothing to research, nor does it provide any reading material.
I disagree. This is easy to research. I know that you simply haven’t tried to think about it. Do you see why I can tell these are not good faith efforts? Your posturing is as a reluctant person who needs to have their food brought to them like a baby bird and they’re very picky and they’re not even hungry. And it’s so unfair that i’m not bringing you the worms! What worms? You don’t know! but it’s very unfair to you, i need to go get them for you! You want the worms! Also not hungry. Also you already have enough food. But i need to bring you worms! I’m so mean!
Have you ever considered that you might be a lot more persuasive if you were less of an asshole about it?
When dealing with an obstinate supporter of genocidaires, no absolutely not. That cannot be treated softly. I treated you softly att he beginning before you were obstinate and reacted in bad faith, but once that is over the ship has sailed and you will only feel validated in receiving respect for your poor behavior and deeply problematic priorities. YOu need to understand that your behavior here does not reserve respect, and it needs to change dramatically if you expect respect.
I’ve nearly left this thread several times not because of the discussion, but because of the vitriol I receive in here.
You should’ve. i told you to shut the fuck up and read. That would’ve done half of it! Your belief that you deserve to share opinions without understanding or humility is wrong and needs correction.
Before you say “good, fuck off”, I’ll say again that I’m here actively trying to engage with almost every single comment I receive
Yeah you should stop doign that. You need to read them first and stop saying nonsense that has been corrected already over and over and over again.
and inviting information to challenge my preexisting beliefs.
Oh what a kind invitation. How have you responded to citations? To specific information? Did you double down? Deflect? Continue to condescendingly lecture about baby’s first electoralism? I provided you with several specific named documents and people in a comment about Ukrainian Neo-Nazism and you completey ignored that. Utterly. You just used it as an opportunity to whine about your treatment here. You did the thing that earns you that treatment! Why are you surprised!? Why do you believe you are open minded when you avoid correction, information, and specific references? You should not believe that! You don’t behave like that!
You could be making a convert, but frankly, this community is full of raging assholes,
Ahahahaha. Au contraire, the only path for you to become a “convert” is for you to develop humility, and you are failing to do so with literally any kind of correction, no matter how soft, no matter how directly abrasive. I think directly abrasive is the only remaining option, as softness implicitly validates your pissbaby behavior. As you are right now, i absolutely want you far, far away from left spaces. Remain in inactive genocider apologetic shitlib spaces, doing jack shit. That is harm reduction.
Now, you could become a useful member of geopolitical organizing. But that’s not simply on me or the other dozen people who have more understanding and more organizing experience than you do, resources you could be using right now. You are too focused on politics as self actualization and feelign smart, and must make yourself correctable on a topic where you admittedly haven’t done enough research and haven’t done any organizing. Are you prepared to act in accordance with your lack of understanding, or are we being very unfair to critize your ignorant statements in support of genociders and terrible electoral strategizing that you borrowed from them?
and even if I agreed with everything here, I’m not sure I’d want to associate with them because they’re raging assholes to anyone who disagrees with them.
Which shows you just how seriously you take the topic of settler colonial genocide. THe idea that others would react negatively to your ignorant statements is apparently on them, not you! They are alienating for having convictions and knowledge! I’m sure you get along great with other apolitical genocide-toelrant liberals. It’s us who are the problem! With our knowing things and rejection of genocide tolerance and dishonesty! Can you imagine? We should just tolerate those things, like you! Then we would be embraced and convince everyone of ideas antithetical to the predominant propaganda narratives, just by being friendly to totally wrong ideas and bad behavior. THat’s the ticket! I’ll tell the external organizing committee immediately!
ou’re doing better than most, but you’re still frankly an asshole about it. I’ll admit I’ve slipped on that front, too, but I try to only do it with people who have been complete dicks to me first.
OH my god I don’t care.
Well, a bunch of people decided it was intolerable to vote for a Democrat because of it, and now things are still going in Gaza, we’re in Iran, we might be in Cuba soon, we’ve abducted the leader of Venezeula, and we gave Israel a chance to get into Lebanon. Meanwhile, the Democrats are finally giving up on their attempt to hide the autopsy report, refusing to acknowledge Gaza was a serious problem for them, and still not pivoting to standing against genocide.
This is now the third or fourth comment in a row where yous ay something like this. Do you see how you repeat yoruself when you odn’t read? I’m not responding to it again.
It sounds an awful lot like we made the situation worse without gaining anything at all, so I’m not so sure this is the brilliant strategy you seem to think it is.
Because the height of your political understanding is post hoc ergo propter hoc on the timeline of one election. Exactly how you are meant to by the powers that be!
Just addressed this above, leaving it here so you don’t try to paint it as dodging something.
You actually didn’t address it. At no point have you addressed that you are repeating the electoral rhetoric of people doing genocide.
Being on the right side overall doesn’t give you carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want without question.
See how you still appeal to straw men. Your thinking is foggy and disorganized, you cannot respond to the content in front of you so you invent easier situations to cope with. What did I actually say? How respectfully should I treat a person that bullshits like this so often?
Some tactics are condemnable regardless of who uses them.
Look at the passive voice. You can’t even directly state your meaning! I bet you’re afraid of how it would come across.
That’s not a comment on anything in particular they’ve done, just a disagreement with the idea that you support them no matter what.
THem who? Support who no matter what? What about what I said is relevant to what you are replying with? You’re tiptoeing around it.
Celebrate the good they do, absolutely, but nobody should be above condemnation for doing wrong.
People sound like “assholes” to you because they’re fed up with your smug ass attitude. Refusing to understand what people are telling you, saying a thing is too vague when the meaning is perfectly clear. If you actually were here in good faith you’d stop posting walls of text repeating your self, ask questions in a concise manor and then fucking listen and actually digest what people are telling you.
I referred to ONE strategy (I guess you still aren’t really trying to read what is written to you) and it was that of the genocidaires, in this case including the Biden administration and the electoral party machinery that he led. You need a citation that Vote Blue no Matter Who, Genocide Edition is one of their strategies?
That isn’t what I said. Quote my whole paragraph and deal with it or, again, shut the duck up.
I meant that I don’t know what you’re talking about when you say strategies by and for those who work against genocide. It’s a very vague statement that gives me nothing to research, nor does it provide any reading material.
Have you ever considered that you might be a lot more persuasive if you were less of an asshole about it? I’ve nearly left this thread several times not because of the discussion, but because of the vitriol I receive in here. Before you say “good, fuck off”, I’ll say again that I’m here actively trying to engage with almost every single comment I receive and inviting information to challenge my preexisting beliefs. You could be making a convert, but frankly, this community is full of raging assholes, and even if I agreed with everything here, I’m not sure I’d want to associate with them because they’re raging assholes to anyone who disagrees with them. You’re doing better than most, but you’re still frankly an asshole about it. I’ll admit I’ve slipped on that front, too, but I try to only do it with people who have been complete dicks to me first.
But fine. Here we go.
Well, a bunch of people decided it was intolerable to vote for a Democrat because of it, and now things are still going in Gaza, we’re in Iran, we might be in Cuba soon, we’ve abducted the leader of Venezeula, and we gave Israel a chance to get into Lebanon. Meanwhile, the Democrats are finally giving up on their attempt to hide the autopsy report, refusing to acknowledge Gaza was a serious problem for them, and still not pivoting to standing against genocide. It sounds an awful lot like we made the situation worse without gaining anything at all, so I’m not so sure this is the brilliant strategy you seem to think it is.
Just addressed this above, leaving it here so you don’t try to paint it as dodging something.
Being on the right side overall doesn’t give you carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want without question. Some tactics are condemnable regardless of who uses them. That’s not a comment on anything in particular they’ve done, just a disagreement with the idea that you support them no matter what. Celebrate the good they do, absolutely, but nobody should be above condemnation for doing wrong.
Oh. You don’t? Let’s be clear: you don’t know what the people who actively organize against genocide are doing, the tactics and strategies they have? Square this with the fact that you are making recommendations on what to do. Are you really interested in learning? What have you self-informed about so far? WHat will you do with this information?
I disagree. This is easy to research. I know that you simply haven’t tried to think about it. Do you see why I can tell these are not good faith efforts? Your posturing is as a reluctant person who needs to have their food brought to them like a baby bird and they’re very picky and they’re not even hungry. And it’s so unfair that i’m not bringing you the worms! What worms? You don’t know! but it’s very unfair to you, i need to go get them for you! You want the worms! Also not hungry. Also you already have enough food. But i need to bring you worms! I’m so mean!
When dealing with an obstinate supporter of genocidaires, no absolutely not. That cannot be treated softly. I treated you softly att he beginning before you were obstinate and reacted in bad faith, but once that is over the ship has sailed and you will only feel validated in receiving respect for your poor behavior and deeply problematic priorities. YOu need to understand that your behavior here does not reserve respect, and it needs to change dramatically if you expect respect.
You should’ve. i told you to shut the fuck up and read. That would’ve done half of it! Your belief that you deserve to share opinions without understanding or humility is wrong and needs correction.
Yeah you should stop doign that. You need to read them first and stop saying nonsense that has been corrected already over and over and over again.
Oh what a kind invitation. How have you responded to citations? To specific information? Did you double down? Deflect? Continue to condescendingly lecture about baby’s first electoralism? I provided you with several specific named documents and people in a comment about Ukrainian Neo-Nazism and you completey ignored that. Utterly. You just used it as an opportunity to whine about your treatment here. You did the thing that earns you that treatment! Why are you surprised!? Why do you believe you are open minded when you avoid correction, information, and specific references? You should not believe that! You don’t behave like that!
Ahahahaha. Au contraire, the only path for you to become a “convert” is for you to develop humility, and you are failing to do so with literally any kind of correction, no matter how soft, no matter how directly abrasive. I think directly abrasive is the only remaining option, as softness implicitly validates your pissbaby behavior. As you are right now, i absolutely want you far, far away from left spaces. Remain in inactive genocider apologetic shitlib spaces, doing jack shit. That is harm reduction.
Now, you could become a useful member of geopolitical organizing. But that’s not simply on me or the other dozen people who have more understanding and more organizing experience than you do, resources you could be using right now. You are too focused on politics as self actualization and feelign smart, and must make yourself correctable on a topic where you admittedly haven’t done enough research and haven’t done any organizing. Are you prepared to act in accordance with your lack of understanding, or are we being very unfair to critize your ignorant statements in support of genociders and terrible electoral strategizing that you borrowed from them?
Which shows you just how seriously you take the topic of settler colonial genocide. THe idea that others would react negatively to your ignorant statements is apparently on them, not you! They are alienating for having convictions and knowledge! I’m sure you get along great with other apolitical genocide-toelrant liberals. It’s us who are the problem! With our knowing things and rejection of genocide tolerance and dishonesty! Can you imagine? We should just tolerate those things, like you! Then we would be embraced and convince everyone of ideas antithetical to the predominant propaganda narratives, just by being friendly to totally wrong ideas and bad behavior. THat’s the ticket! I’ll tell the external organizing committee immediately!
OH my god I don’t care.
This is now the third or fourth comment in a row where yous ay something like this. Do you see how you repeat yoruself when you odn’t read? I’m not responding to it again.
Because the height of your political understanding is post hoc ergo propter hoc on the timeline of one election. Exactly how you are meant to by the powers that be!
You actually didn’t address it. At no point have you addressed that you are repeating the electoral rhetoric of people doing genocide.
See how you still appeal to straw men. Your thinking is foggy and disorganized, you cannot respond to the content in front of you so you invent easier situations to cope with. What did I actually say? How respectfully should I treat a person that bullshits like this so often?
Look at the passive voice. You can’t even directly state your meaning! I bet you’re afraid of how it would come across.
THem who? Support who no matter what? What about what I said is relevant to what you are replying with? You’re tiptoeing around it.
Jesus christ y ou are repetive.
People sound like “assholes” to you because they’re fed up with your smug ass attitude. Refusing to understand what people are telling you, saying a thing is too vague when the meaning is perfectly clear. If you actually were here in good faith you’d stop posting walls of text repeating your self, ask questions in a concise manor and then fucking listen and actually digest what people are telling you.
Otherwise shut the fuck up and go away.