Perhaps slowing it down isn’t the right way to describe it, but the alternative, which we chose, was to speed it up, so it’s not entirely incorrect, either. Trump openly encouraged Israel to finish the job, and while I am by no means claiming a Harris admin would have been clean, I think it should be relatively easy to agree that the Trump admin would be more corruptible. At the very least, it most likely would have prevented things from spilling over into Iran and Lebanon.
And besides that, while I don’t have a lot of faith that either side of the American political spectrum will break on the topic, I think the odds are far greater with the democrats than the republicans, so that extra time compared to a Trump presidency would also have better odds of actually paying off. Maybe it’s unlikely, but I think it was worth trying. I don’t think it’s worth giving up just because it’s unlikely to work the way we hope.
Yeah I just don’t believe that’s the case that somehow a Harris admin would have been different. Democrat Joe Biden was very vocally pro-Israel and had no qualms whatsoever about sending genocidal amounts of weapons to the zionist entity.
And if his successor was supposed to be different then maybe their campaign should have signalled that. They didn’t campaign on a ceasefire or anything whatsoever. It was simply sort of assumed that Trump was advocating for a worse, faster genocide. Instead of countering this, Harris sought the endorsement of fucking Dick Cheney who is one of the worst mass murderers of the past few decades. If the dems were trying to signal a course change, a slower genocide, or anything of the sort, they fundamentally failed at signaling that or (more likely) they never wanted to slow down American imperialism in the first place. Furthermore, was Harris supposed to campaign on the plank she was going to stop or slow down a genocide that she endorsed while vice president? “vote for me and I’ll stop this heinous killing that I helped start and am still doing”
It should have been relatively easy to agree the Trump administration would be more corruptible? I simply can’t agree with that. The American machinery continues to operate as it always has.
First, I think I should clarify that when I say slower, I mean compared to under the Trump administration. There was a marked increase in deaths in the first year of Trump’s term, and those extra deaths may have been avoidable if Harris had been elected instead.
Second, while the democrats certainly wouldn’t have been easy to force to change course, I think you’d have better odds than with republicans. Even if neither is likely, I think we should be trying everything we can to buy time and push the odds in our favor. If and when we manage to stop it completely, it will probably be a confluence of many factors, not any single one, so we should be making sure as many factors as possible nudge it the way we want.
Even if all of that were true I’m never gonna vote for a Democrat, ever, unless they fully state that Israel and Joe Biden are responsible for genocide and even the I’m really gonna be hesitant. I’ll vote for local referendums and unaffiliated local candidates. But so far nothing democrats have done or said have convinced me whatsoever they’re somehow different in their imperialist conquest.
The only true hope for the world is for the People’s Republic of China to ascend to the status of primary global power and for America to be subjected to a century of humiliation.
The sad fact is that the US uses a first-past-the-post voting system, and that type of voting system guarantees that the system quickly gravitate towards a two party system. In almost every single election you ever vote in for the rest of your life, unless we move to a different voting system like approval or ranked choice, you will be voting in an election where either a republican or a democrat wins. There will be the rare outlier, but they will be exceedingly rare, and they’ll generally create enough buzz that you’ll have a sense they might have an actual chance.
I don’t expect anyone in this community to be fond of the democrats. I don’t expect them to view them as substantially better. But if I had to pick one to try to force to take the more humane path, I’d rather argue with the democrats over the republicans just about every time. They may not be right much more often, but I think political forces in the US make them more vulnerable to being forced to comply. And if republicans stopped winning so many damn elections, we might be able to force them to actually listen to progressives and leftists at least a little since they won’t be able to rely as much on “but the republicans!” and “we need to cater to centrists/republicans”. It’s not a complete plan. It’s a small step in the right direction, and we damn well better keep moving and pushing after we take it, or you’d be right about how useless it is.
They didn’t have any elections for most of the 40s because in the 30s, they voted in a rightwing dictator who liked to whine about fake news, blame all our problems on minorities and LGBTQ people, and who had previously attempted and failed to throw a coup. Sounds familiar, actually, now that you bring it up… Maybe we should have kept Trump out of power…
Wrong. Hitler lost the election, but Hindenburg and the social democrats handed him the reins of power anyway, because liberals are worse than useless: they’re complicit.
Perhaps slowing it down isn’t the right way to describe it, but the alternative, which we chose, was to speed it up, so it’s not entirely incorrect, either. Trump openly encouraged Israel to finish the job, and while I am by no means claiming a Harris admin would have been clean, I think it should be relatively easy to agree that the Trump admin would be more corruptible. At the very least, it most likely would have prevented things from spilling over into Iran and Lebanon.
And besides that, while I don’t have a lot of faith that either side of the American political spectrum will break on the topic, I think the odds are far greater with the democrats than the republicans, so that extra time compared to a Trump presidency would also have better odds of actually paying off. Maybe it’s unlikely, but I think it was worth trying. I don’t think it’s worth giving up just because it’s unlikely to work the way we hope.
Yeah I just don’t believe that’s the case that somehow a Harris admin would have been different. Democrat Joe Biden was very vocally pro-Israel and had no qualms whatsoever about sending genocidal amounts of weapons to the zionist entity.
And if his successor was supposed to be different then maybe their campaign should have signalled that. They didn’t campaign on a ceasefire or anything whatsoever. It was simply sort of assumed that Trump was advocating for a worse, faster genocide. Instead of countering this, Harris sought the endorsement of fucking Dick Cheney who is one of the worst mass murderers of the past few decades. If the dems were trying to signal a course change, a slower genocide, or anything of the sort, they fundamentally failed at signaling that or (more likely) they never wanted to slow down American imperialism in the first place. Furthermore, was Harris supposed to campaign on the plank she was going to stop or slow down a genocide that she endorsed while vice president? “vote for me and I’ll stop this heinous killing that I helped start and am still doing”
It should have been relatively easy to agree the Trump administration would be more corruptible? I simply can’t agree with that. The American machinery continues to operate as it always has.
First, I think I should clarify that when I say slower, I mean compared to under the Trump administration. There was a marked increase in deaths in the first year of Trump’s term, and those extra deaths may have been avoidable if Harris had been elected instead.
Second, while the democrats certainly wouldn’t have been easy to force to change course, I think you’d have better odds than with republicans. Even if neither is likely, I think we should be trying everything we can to buy time and push the odds in our favor. If and when we manage to stop it completely, it will probably be a confluence of many factors, not any single one, so we should be making sure as many factors as possible nudge it the way we want.
Even if all of that were true I’m never gonna vote for a Democrat, ever, unless they fully state that Israel and Joe Biden are responsible for genocide and even the I’m really gonna be hesitant. I’ll vote for local referendums and unaffiliated local candidates. But so far nothing democrats have done or said have convinced me whatsoever they’re somehow different in their imperialist conquest.
The only true hope for the world is for the People’s Republic of China to ascend to the status of primary global power and for America to be subjected to a century of humiliation.
The sad fact is that the US uses a first-past-the-post voting system, and that type of voting system guarantees that the system quickly gravitate towards a two party system. In almost every single election you ever vote in for the rest of your life, unless we move to a different voting system like approval or ranked choice, you will be voting in an election where either a republican or a democrat wins. There will be the rare outlier, but they will be exceedingly rare, and they’ll generally create enough buzz that you’ll have a sense they might have an actual chance.
I don’t expect anyone in this community to be fond of the democrats. I don’t expect them to view them as substantially better. But if I had to pick one to try to force to take the more humane path, I’d rather argue with the democrats over the republicans just about every time. They may not be right much more often, but I think political forces in the US make them more vulnerable to being forced to comply. And if republicans stopped winning so many damn elections, we might be able to force them to actually listen to progressives and leftists at least a little since they won’t be able to rely as much on “but the republicans!” and “we need to cater to centrists/republicans”. It’s not a complete plan. It’s a small step in the right direction, and we damn well better keep moving and pushing after we take it, or you’d be right about how useless it is.
Hey real quick, what voting system was Germany using during the 40s
They didn’t have any elections for most of the 40s because in the 30s, they voted in a rightwing dictator who liked to whine about fake news, blame all our problems on minorities and LGBTQ people, and who had previously attempted and failed to throw a coup. Sounds familiar, actually, now that you bring it up… Maybe we should have kept Trump out of power…
Wrong. Hitler lost the election, but Hindenburg and the social democrats handed him the reins of power anyway, because liberals are worse than useless: they’re complicit.