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The sad thing is, that the US is throwing a lot of money into their “healthcare system”. More than most first world countries. Yet, the population is getting… nothing. So basically, you’re paying taxes for nothing, other than filling the pockets of a bunch of greedy oligarchs. Your system is broken, and was broken for a very long time, but decades of propaganda brainwashed a large chunk of the population to just accept that, and so they spout nonsense about “defending Europe” as some form of excuse that their fellow countrymen and women are literally dying of preventable and curable diseases.
And the biggest irony is, that a healthy workforce and population would be beneficial even in capitalism. Most European countries understood that.
Not that the American health insurance system is really “savable”, but one great initial measure might be to require a doctoral sign-off on every rejection. So, if doctor A claims a patient needs a prescription, and the insurance company wishes to deny it, then doctor B must stake their degree on the fact that the patient does not need it.
I feel like insurance companies would pretty quickly run out of doctors willing to sign such things.
Having worked in medicine…you do not want doctors policing doctors.
Luigi saved many lives. More people need to live up to the example set by one of our greatest heros
Luigi Mangione sacrificed so much for essentially so little, just heads on a hydra for a complacent populace still asleep at the wheel. What the fuck.
St. Luigi Mangione is innocent, and even if he’s not – he is.
Besides, he was with me at my house when he was killing that guy
tbh i heard that guy had a family history of just doing that
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Once is a fluke, Twice is coincidence, three times is a trend. People notice trends.
Luigis story is still at the end of the first act. There is much to be written yet. He will become a highly influential person in American history.
The populace isn’t at the wheel and isn’t asleep, and to suggest otherwise is cruel. There is genuinely nothing they can do about it except implode their own lives for zero net benefit.
Oh wait, I forgot Luigi’s actions totally solved healthcare forever. I guess it’s not a zero benefit if there are tangible benefits.
Please tell me the tangible benefits I can experience right now.
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As someone that works tangentially to healthcare c-suites, they were scared of Mr Mangione.
In this specific case, the long unlucky journey was being born in the USA… They could have gotten treatment of they lived in a country with healthcare. That sucks so much.
I’m not american (thankfully). But if I were, and I had a terminal illness, I’d suicide bomb a health insurance headquarters on my way out. Because fuck it…I’m dead anyway.
I’m honestly surprised more old people don’t go out removing problems.
They’re too busy pulling the ladder up behind them
Greedy old fucks are the reason we are in this mess.
Capitalism is the reason we’re in this mess, and it incentivizes greed the same to everybody, regardless of age, race, or creed. Blaming any group besides the oligarchs just serves the oligarchs, and weakens the possibility we can change anything.
___it seems to be a generational thing. that generation which is old now isnt radicalized like some of the younger folks will be by that age.
Boomers are a bunch of coddled pussies that had the softest easy mode lives handed to them. They were pandered to as a generation and pulled the ladders up behind them at every step of the way. I hoped that as they died off as a voting block we would finally be able to make real progress as a society,. But the sociopaths they put in power know that they’ll never win on policy, and so fascism and putting an end to democracy is their only way to avoid consequences for their crimes.
True. And then you dont have to worry about facing the cops/legal system cause y’all both be dead. And its better than dealing with an illness where the end result is death. Its on your own terms!
The thought crossed my mind more than once when I was struggling for diagnosis as a very sick person and fighting insurance every step of the way.
Cigna or the SSA, though? Decisions, decisions.
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This confirms one Luigi isn’t enough
Seems unwise to piss off people who haven’t long left to live
There’s a book where a bunch of people who have terminal illnesses form a kind of terror cell to suicide bomb health care boards to force the system to change. I’m almost surprised it hasn’t happened yet.
do you happen to remember the title or any other details about it? cuz that’s going straight on my fiction reading list lol
I figured out which one it was.
It was “Radicalized”, one of the 4 short stories in Cory Doctorow’s book “Radicalized”.
You can buy it on his own site:
P.S. Unauthorized Bread is also great, from that same book.
oh sweet my library has it. thanks!
Is it ok to incite things via writing a book where people do something and it works out well, rather than just saying everyone should do it?
Of course it’s OK. As to whether it’s legal, ask a lawyer.
In a country where guns are famously accessible.
It never was. I was always hopefully that his actions would set off a wave of retaliation from the public, but everyone just went back to their instagram feeds.
The problem for me is that USA, one of the richest country in the world, has constantly, democratically and collectively kept voting against universal healthcare. I feel for this person but it’s the choice of this country, shoting CEOs won’t fix it.
It’s just a symptom of the fucked up system we’re in. Something like >70% of the americans want universal healthcare. Having a representative instead of a direct democracy already neuters the population’s power, and then you throw in everything else like the first-past-the-post system that ensures two parties, and rich fucks controlling both parties easily, and thus both parties having no incentive to meaningfully help the population, and so on and so forth ad nauseam.
Blaming the population as a whole is accurate, but also denying the way the system is set up.
There’s also the propaganda problem. Americans have to be some of the most propagandized people among countries with a supposedly “free press”.
Over 90% of Democrats, 50% of independents, and even 30% of Republicans want universal healthcare. (check your favorite poll there are many).
The citizens of the USA have constantly, democratically, and collectively voted FOR universal healthcare, repeatedly, in the only ways they can legally do so.
If our system was democratic, we’d have universal healthcare already. Unfortunately, it’s not.
Democratic leadership has ignored 90% of their own registered voters (and the 30% Rs and 50% independents)… just as they ignore 70% support for higher minimum wages. Republicans also ignore their own constituents.
Anyway, massive public support for universal healthcare, higher minimum wage, ending support of Israel, and so on. There’s nothing democratic or collective about any of this. Open your eyes.
The USA is a plutocracy. It has the best politicians money can buy.
Sure, but why don’t all do something about it? Many other countries have, while not being as rich.
At the end of the day a guy that is explicitly against it won the popular vote, and still have at least 40% of approvals, on bad days, that’s what I’m saying.
Universal healthcare was never on the ballot.
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Yeah but trump was.
Biden was also elected, if you recall. No universal healthcare. No raised minimum wage. Wake up.
I’m not american dude, we have healthcare in Canada. That said, Biden wasn a pedophile so there’s that at least.
Are you implying that his opponents were even remotely pro universal health care? Because they weren’t.
I’m pointing that he won the popular vote so it doesn’t even matters.
I’m pointing out that him winning or not has nothing to do with universal health care, because no one on the ballot is pro universal healthcare.
I mean ok if you want lol. trump and Harris are exactly the same, you’re all victims and there’s nothing your citizens can do to get universal healthcare. So keep doing it american style and hope someone will shoot all CEOs, that’s your best option I guess.
You have a terminal diagnosis, regardless of your choice you will die. However if you pull the lever for a brief moment tens thousands of people will be given a better chance to live before the trolley returns to the mainline and the cycle begins again.
Image is almost perfect, it just needs miles upon miles of mangled corpses behind the trolley.
if a company put obscene profits before my treatment and I’m slowly dying in pain and fear then so are the ghouls who decided that money was more important than my treatment.
What have I got to lose?
Prison, I’ll be dead before that happens.
Death sentence? I’ve already got one, thanks.
Damnation in hell? If there is a god and heaven then I’m pretty sure I’d be going up there if I take out a few billionaires. I have nothing to lose, they have everything.The problem is that illnesses like these leave you with no energy. Hard to do much of anything.
Good point! Everyone start making contingency plans now!
I can only assume most of these people have spouses and kids, because that thought goes through my head too, or we’d definitely see more terminal vigilantism.
so did the Wermacht.
That’s why they followed orders, no?
And most people can sympathize with the low level workers at the actual physical location, while the ceo and others at the top aren’t necessarily easy to track and find.
I’d be curious to hear what the ‘acceptable targets’ are from people who casually talk about what they would do if they were in the situation described. I know I would hesitate at every single one. It’s too easy to imagine how someone has been fucked over by our society’s system, and the pain it will cause for them to die. Doesn’t even matter if it’s a rich fuck bastard like the asshole with two kids and an estranged wife that was popped the first time uhc got its teetee slapped.
Everyone, even evil people, have kids. Their kids will probably grow up to be evil so what is your point exactly?
The evil people would go after the families of dying vigilantes.
Reeducation camps?
Wake the fuck up, Samurai.
Two months now waiting for them to “pre-approve” a cheap calcium score test the doctor wants me to get (high cholesterol since forever, no symptoms no family history of stroke or heart attack so no way to know whether to bother treating it without looking). The lab has rescheduled it thrice now.
Which makes zero sense because finding out with what the doctors call a primary cardiac event would be exponentially more expensive for them.
Calcium scoring is almost certainly going to be a self pay. The good thing is, it’s pretty cheap relative to most healthcare ($100 collected up front). The bad thing is, cheap is relative.
