Clem talks about that in the comments. What are some no hassle, Debian based, rustless distros as alternative to Mint?
Because upstream i guess?
We had things break at work because of rust-coreutils. I dont particularly care that its made in rust. It just needs to be stable and compatible.
However, the project is not 100% compatible with GNU coreutils. Putting aside the licensing issues, if it cant do what it says on the tin, then it should be on experimental linux distros not our most popular distros.
But this is linux/FOSS so people will do what they want. It means I wont use Mint, but its also ok for Mint to decide this. GL! hope everything works out either way.
The comment itself:
[…] Rust-coreutils does affect us. This is something we definitely see as part of the base so even though we would prefer for coreutils not to change, we’re hoping to align with Ubuntu on this. We’re concerned with regressions. New code almost always introduces regressions. That’s a lot of new code on very important components. I was shocked to see rust-coreutils updated from 0.7 to 0.8 just days before the stable release of Ubuntu 26.04. It actually broke something important on our side. We fixed it. I’m sure Ubuntu will update it whenever new regressions are found. We’ll see.
Why is this a problem?
Reimplementation. Bugs, regressions.
One issue with this is that uutils is licensed under the MIT license, instead of coreutils’ GPL license. In fact, for reasons I don’t quite understand many of these rust rewrites are licensed with the MIT license. This will contribute to long term erosion of the rights granted by the GPL to software projects and users.
In fact, for reasons I don’t quite understand many of these rust rewrites are licensed with the MIT license.
I think it’s pretty obvious. Corpos are doing the EEE approach in the Linux ecosystem.
Yeah, the ‘for reasons I don’t quite understand’ bit was intended slightly sarcastically.
It’s bad that we’re in an all-time low percentage of politically minded Linux users, in another era Rust would never be close to the Linux kernel or would pose as a threat to GNU/GPL.
Why is Rust your problem here? It’s a fantastic language. The issue is licensing
It’s the tool used to enshitification of Linux, that’s my problem. Tech and politics are indivisible. We’re on lemmy.ml so that should be a no-brainer.
Also, technically, it’s not very stable and there’s no alternative for the compiler.
Rust is the only reason I’m remotely interested in low level programming and potentially contributing to Linux. C and C++ are unreadable and vastly more confusing in terms of ecosystem to be worth dealing with for my own enjoyment. I don’t really understand the rust hate.
I thought we weren’t supposed to be using Mint anyways because it uses Systemd? /s
sudo xbps-install -y cinnamon-allFor those who can
You do realise that the Linux Kernel has Rust in it, right ?
You’ll need to go to BSD if you want to be Rust-less
https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux-7-features-changes
" Linux 7.0 also declares the Rust for Linux effort as “here to stay”"
Who cares? It’s about compatibility and where it can’t run.
There is the Mint version that is based directly on Debian, instead of Ubuntu: LMDE
I haven’t used it myself, maybe someone with actual experience can comment on it.
I wonder why they make both Ubuntu and separate Debian based Mint. That duplicates the work.
I would probably jump from ubuntu to mint if they drop ubunutu in favor of debian. But then, debian itself is a perfectly fine distro and i could also use it directly.
Too much choice.
LMDE exists as the DR plan for if Ubuntu loses the plot again and Mint can no longer rely on Ubuntu as the upstream. Yes it does create extra work, which is one of the reasons why LMDE releases tend to lag behind the primary Mint Cinnamon, but it’s worth it from the Mint perspective to have an alternative route immediately to hand.
