“What’s funny about that is they assume my ambition is positional. They assume my ambition is a title or a seat. My ambition is way bigger than that. My ambition is to change this country. Presidents come and go, elected officials come and go, single payer healthcare is forever.”
I’d vote for her. I’d also vote for Bernie again, if he ran again. I don’t care about his age, all that would matter is he got into office, and established a cabinet, and had a good Vice President to take over.
Speechless to old white redneck fucksticks perhaps. To the rest of us she sounds like a goddam American patriot who has the good of THIS fucking country in her heart.
To young white redneck fucksticks, too, tho’.
It’s a cult of personality. She was against stopping weapons to Israel, and she voted with white supremacists in the past. I’m against MTG, but I’m also against promoting people no matter what. There are many people who are more suitable and that have integrity. AOC doesn’t have it.
Boo
I take it you must be a teenager
No, he’s just right to boo you
No. They are not. Integrity is everything and I stand by it.
lol ok buddy
People like you are the reason why we are constantly at war and can not have nice things.
Boo
I know many of you will dismiss this as the ramblings of a Third-worlder… Yet, as someone who saw and suffered under the socialists, I can identify a populist demagogue the moment I see and hear/read one.
Her ambition is the seat and to perpetuate herself in the power, nothing unlike Cristina de Kirchner, or Hugo Chávez, or Maduro.
And, unless you do something about the illegals, her “ambition” is just a bait.
I’ll take the bait. In what way, specifically, did you suffer under socialism?
First of, thanks for the opportunity of a proper conversation. Second, a quick rant:
Many countries here in South America lived through some form of socialism. So, for us Peruvians, we live what I am warning through the decade of the 80s.
With many public services collapsed, and a severe hyperinflation.
The presidents of that time, first Fernando Belaúnde Terry (who focused on housing, but not on security which lead to the formation of Sendero Luminoso) and the Alan Garcia ( whose strategy was similar to what AOC is doing right now, while enacting most socialist programs like price control, and healthcare (in reality, an oversaturation of the dangerously lackluster service (further context: it was common to die from diarrhea here))), had a socialist government which worsened the situation until the next government of Alberto Fujimori.
Many countries here in South America lived through some form of socialism
…with an often overlooked caveat that the US imperial empire, through the CIA, has staged coups, assassinations, embargos, sanctions, color revolutions, political meddling, contra scandals, and outright genocide during that time. The expressed purpose of all of that was to cause as much human suffering as possible, in order to get people to hate their government.
So, for us Peruvians, we live what I am warning through the decade of the 80s.
Peru has never been a Socialist state, although I will give it to you that there was a significant socialist movement during that time.
The presidents of that time, first Fernando Belaúnde Terry (who focused on housing, but not on security which lead to the formation of Sendero Luminoso) and the Alan Garcia ( whose strategy was similar to what AOC is doing right now, while enacting most socialist programs like price control, and healthcare (in reality, an oversaturation of the dangerously lackluster service (further context: it was common to die from diarrhea here))), had a socialist government which worsened the situation until the next government of Alberto Fujimori.
So, just to be clear, … there was never a Socialist society during that time, correct? You only had a leftish government, surrounding by US meddling, literal genocide, and death squads of Communists and supporters. Socialism doesn’t mean anti-market and doesn’t mean “government does stuff”.
Partially wrong. Most of what happened in Perú had been the prelude in many other countries like Venezuela and Cuba.
A leader who either took the power by force (Velazco) or by using the system, and then ruining the country for the rest (Garcia Perez). With many policies focusing on the "“wellbeing” of the people, which (sadly) backfired terribly.
Velazco is the first example, with the nationalization of many businesses; as well as the alliances with the USSR, for the acquisition of weaponry. He tried to do the “best” for the Andean people, yet many of his reforms (the most notorious being “La Reforma Agraria”) only weakened the productive capabilities of many farmlands. Only to be left forgotten, and squandered. La Piturrina in Ica being the perfect example of such.
Fortunately, Moralez Bermudez helped with the transition back to democracy.
Alan Garcia implemented many socialist policies, as already mentioned. He tried to control the prices, unaware of how it impacted on the economy of the average Peruvian. With most investments escaping the country, the Into (the currency of that time) devaluated to the point that a million of it were needed to buy one dollar.
And something I must admit I forgot to write is how we were affected.
The Constant devaluation of the currency made it difficult for the average person to buy the groceries, also diminished for only estate backed businesses operated then. A can of milk could cost almost 2 billion intis (more or less 20 dollars). Imagine feeding a kid during that time…
And thanks to the insecurity of the terrorists, we suffered constant blackouts. Imagine doing your homework by the lights of the candles… Many of my generation need glasses thanks to that.
And lastly, you would be lucky if you were alive the next day… For any second a car could explode nearby.
This is what many Peruvians, and many South Americans will warn you.
None of that sounds anything like Socialism.
It is… Unless you want to raise the “That is not the real Socialism” commentary.
Also, that is how it started in Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, and Argentina with Kirchner.
Funny, I don’t remember reading in any theory book that “Socialism is when government tries to control prices”.
I’d vote for John Stewart if I was American. Look up how he supported the 911 firemen. He is the right mix of popular to be a viable candidate and obviously principled enough to be a second Obama.
Oh yes just what we need a second Obama. First Obama worked out so well for us.
Obama wasn’t perfect, but at least he wasn’t a trainwreck and he was sandwiched between two of them.
No, you don’t understand - if you can’t get a 110% perfect leftist president, you might as well just elect the next Trump to reinforce fascism!
She literally told you it is not about president, masters never changed. Now you understand?
Are you suggesting that, assuming magically Obama won president in 2025, things would be going exactly the same because “masters never changed”?
Same track, slower train
Suggesting that Obama-equivalent would threaten allies with military takeover of land, tariff literally everybody fucking up the global economy, start supporting the enemy and rolling out the red carpet for Putin, or attacking Iran for absolutely no reason… is just flat out delusional.
Compared to literally every other American president in my lifetime, this is unironically true. I’m 47. What’s your point?
Jon Stewart pushed hard for ~$10 billion for roughly 90,000 9/11 responders/survivors - about $110,000 per person.
Using that same math for all 330 million Americans, - that’d be roughly $36 trillion (more than entire GDP).I dunno - something about that deal is, - feels a bit populist.
I support universal healthcare. That’s exactly why this bothers me. America refuses to build a rational universal system, but will absolutely create gold-plated exception systems for emotionally untouchable groups because the politics are driven by symbolism and emotion instead of coherent policy.
It should be noted that those people had significant health risks, far beyond the average American. This is basically masonry, likely including asbestos, where the survivors had no capacity for ppe, and many responders forwent it pursuing immediate life saving over waiting to try to get ppe that wasn’t readily available.
This is best thought of as disaster relief in the form of healthcare.
Baby accounts in here chirping about Jon Stewart and AOC running for president after killing Reddit. Getting prepared for the primary. AstroTurf moving over here.
The absolute waste of money and time it would be to AstroTurf on Lemmy really just makes me more skeptical to every user crying “bot” than anything.
It’s not a surprise that people with fringe or more radical opinions exist on Lemmy, an alternative platform
thx for confirming it’s happening
I was here before you by two years so the bot masters must be way ahead of you.
They’re good at pissing away money so yeah
Im pretty sure that is a “no, not this time” answer.
I think she knows where she can do the most good, and survive to do the most good.
I like AOC but i dont think she is ready for the international political scene. I think she knows it as well. Domestic issues need her more, which happens in Congress.
And Jon Stewart, well i like him too but … another celebrity/actor president? Really?
100%. Both her and Stewart are in the exact positions they need to be in to be the most useful to our country. Stewart gets the views of the center, while she works on progressive projects, where she can. Politics gets folks emotional, but it’s best to plan from reason.
That’s my girl.
