• greygore@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    By leaving they gave up all their special exceptions, and rejoining would mean that they have a worse deal than the one they had when they got fed up and left the EU. It’s like they’ve been looking at Trump’s Iran strategy.

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      7 months ago

      Having a worse deal because they messed up and left fornthe wrong reasons is still better than no deal.

      They have to gife up the pound and they lay the same as everyone else instead of having a rebate due to less agricture. As their borders are finding out, subsidising food security is not a bad thing.

      They had a favourable deal before as an enticement to join as the benefits were less clear for a smaller organisation. The benefots sre now very clear indeed, so they should take the regukar deal and learn the lesson of populism ans election interference. I doubt they will do both.

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        7 months ago

        EU citizen living in the UK for many, many years.

        The EU would restore all the exceptions that Britain had. They might call it something else, but the advantages of having the UK back in would be too great to ignore.

        And I say this as someone that regularly rolls my eyes at the inflated sense of self-worth the UK constantly displays. The UK has become the south-Italy of the north; poor infrastructure, poor governance, poor outlying areas, yet we act as if we still are owed an empire.

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          EU citizen who lived in the UK and chose to leave the UK with Brexit, here.

          I totally disagree.

          In the EU Britain mainly blackmailed the rest with its veto - hence all the exceptions - mainly pushed for American levels of Capitalism and often even for American interests, and by the time of the Leave Vote it was basically a posh version of Orban’s Hungary. Worse, in meanwhile it has only managed to become more right-wing that back then: the Brexit Tories weren’t Far-Right enough for a significant proportion of Britons, so the extreme far-right ultra-nationalist Reform appeared and got more than 14% of the vote.

          As for the rest, the main export of Britain was Financial Services, an almost purely rentierist business domain and were one of the most notable offers from Britain is International Tax Evasion services.

          I can see why YOU as an EU citizen who chose to live there after Brexit would want to have Britain back in the EU: it would give you back in Britain a level of rights very close to those that native Britons have, making you way better than before.

          What I don’t see is what most people living in the EU right now would gain from Britain being an EU member, especially an EU member with privileges other countries do not have (i.e. the exceptions).

          Personally, I think the only acceptable thing is more integration of the UK in the Single Market, NEVER Britain having a vote on the affairs of the 470 million people in the EU, much less a veto (which is what you get with EU membership), and even the Single Market integration has to be limited since even back when it was an EU member Britain was known for willingly (in that it’s authorities couldn’t care less as long as those products did not end up in the British market) being a massive backdoor for illegally bringing non-compliant products into the Single Market.

          Fortunately, when Britain swerved towards Fascism, it actually left the EU so the harm it could do to the other 470 million EU citizens was limited, but as Hungary showed, if such a country slipping towards Fascism does not chose to leave the EU, it’s almost impossible to deal with, so it would be an incredibly bad idea to make an EU member of a country which is now even more far-right than at the time of Brexit, even if with the most basic, zero exceptions, membership.

          • sunbeam60@feddit.uk
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            7 months ago

            FWIW, I have a U.K. citizenship at this point too, so my rights in the EU and the UK are the same.

  • kyber@sopuli.xyz
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    7 months ago

    I really don’t get why people are so vindictive over this whole thing. Brexit was a tragedy, people are easily misled, don’t think your own particular country is immune to doing equally stupid things. Also, there are legitimate reasons for not wanting to be part of EU too, but good luck trying to have a rational debate with anyone about that.