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I want to keep living in society. I just want to live in a society that doesn’t have the current cancer we’re seeing.
I personally would like society to be offended
Wow, rude.
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Whoa!
Just give society social media and in a decade they will be offended by everything.
I found everything offensive back in -83.
Find your people, and stop participating all together as a group!
Where are my people? And how do I find them? I feel like finding just one like me to spend live with took all the luck I had. Now we’re just weird with no other friends like us
It’s not easy, I’m sorry to say. Sometimes it’s easier online. Offline can depend a lot on your location. Even in a city it takes a lot of effort on your part. Put yourself out there, join clubs or political organizations. Maybe even something you don’t already know you like. If there really isn’t anything out there, try to start something! I’m currently trying to start a couple clubs. I’m not advertising too publicly, since I want to be a little more selective. When I meet people I think might be into it, I invite them to the Signal chat where I organize meetups.
That’s what parallel societies are for!
Me too, i dont know what else to do.
I get this sentiment, but the best way to combat this feeling is to build community.
Get to know the people around you. It starts small by just ditching the headphones in public and saying hello (and maybe some small talk) every time you encounter someone. Then start offering and accepting help, plan events, and keep track of their life milestones. People will be so pleasantly surprised when you remember things about their lives.
And you will probably be surprised at how many interesting people you pass by every day while keeping your head down. Over time, some of them will begin to reciprocate. Remember, they are probably also starved for community.
Capitalism wants us isolated, sad, and reliant on their products/services. The antidote is strong community.
Capitalism wants us isolated, sad, and reliant on their products/services. The antidote is strong community.
I whole-heartedly agree, and yet it is virtually impossible to do such a thing as “build community” at this point, at least in the United States. There is like a pervasive anti-community dark magic / anti-matter sort of thing
It’s not impossible. It can be done, it just takes effort. The nice thing is that it’s kind of a snowball effect once you get started with a couple folks.
Oh I know it’s not impossible, I did say virtually impossible :)
I’ve tried many times at this point, with a bunch of different groups in different places
Thanks for sharing a more optimistic take in this thread. 🖖
build community.
That sounds horrible. It’s just society with extra steps.
It’s actually fewer steps. Society is just late-stage community.
Our brains evolved for living in groups of ~30-100 people. These communities are small enough to all know and support each other through life’s inevitable struggles. A healthy society is made up of thousands of these smaller, tight-knit communities, not just millions of individuals.
Our brains are not happy alone—not for extended periods. Reducing all our social interaction to anonymous chats (like this one) and passing hundreds of nameless faces does not fulfill your social needs and will leave you feeling lonely.
It is work, and you will encounter people that suck and/or won’t reciprocate, but if you keep at it, good people will reveal themselves. I promise it’s worth it.
I’ve been told that humans need community and social contact, but when I was living in the woods for 18 months, only really interacting with my remote coworkers, and spending my time doing yard work and home improvement I was at my happiest and healthiest.
Honestly, even seeing hundreds of people a day is my idea of hell.
You don’t need to know well all those dozens of people; it’s just more about not being total strangers. We would ideally have 1-3 very close friends and then a slightly wider circle of the next ring, and so on.
I would say your level of exclusivity is very rare. Few people can tolerate that little contact for that long. There is certainly a middle ground for everyone’s satisfaction and it’s great that you found yours but the majority of friendless society is lonely. Maybe you jive with your remote coworkers more than other people do with their regular company.
Nope. Dealing with coworkers is a mask I’ve rehearsed for decades.
This is the way.
This is also how Mormon churches work, last I checked; they’re called “wards,” and when a single ward grows to >500 members, they split off into two wards, to make sure everyone knows each other decently enough (probably to make sure they’re all tithing regularly and crap, but without such a sinister agenda, that can legitimately be a beautiful thing).
Have you tried reminiscing of a void instead, which lacks any sensory input or memories, but includes full awareness, which happened to be your first ever conscious experience? Wait, that’s just me? Oh.
I prefer interacting with my online gaming community more than my neighbors.
Do you put the cart back? Do you use a vehicle blinker correctly? If have not you may not have ever participated to begin with.
With those two incredibly low bars you eliminated like 30% of people around me every day, which is a good way of illustrating how insufferable it is to keep moving through this society
Well they do use the toilet rather than just shit anywhere. So there’s some expectations that society is gonna be there for them.
Eh very much offense to society though
Fun fact, part of what we’re going through in the U.S. today is being heavily driven by antisocial troglodytes in big tech companies who genuinely believe that you and everyone you love (or even remotely like) should die so they can get on with building utopia!
Idk, I’d personally like to do everything I can not to emulate them or help their goals succeed. That’s just me.
antisocial
What you say is true, and yet there’s something more deeply unsettling. The ideology and founding of the U.S. is at its core anti-social. So is the competitive economy (and so on). It’s a dog eat dog structure of things, not just a few dip shits in the <1% (although it is that too)
I was antisocial before it was cool. they are emulating me if anything.
besides, I’m not going to be something I’m not just because some rich assholes decided to make it their whole evil plan.
Sadly their version of utopia an underground vault with workers to do all the dirty nasty work while they live in luxury and complain about anything that bothers them.
I mean at this point fall out is looking to be a documentary from the future.
At this point, they can have it. They just have to figure out how to upload my consciousness to a computer, load that computer into a von Neumann probe, and fire me off into space. Yes I like the Bobivers series. I’d kick back a few rocks to mine on my way out to pay my way, then take off and start exploring.
In the realm of possibility just give me $10 million so I can invest it and live off the dividends. I’ll build a nice three bedroom house and keep to myself and just work on things that actually interest me instead of working to survive. They can have their hellscape utopia, I just want to be left alone.
Fuck that, they can’t have that. We are not here to just be the staff for the rich.
I’m glad to see others still have the fight in them. I’m in my 40’s, burnt out, no wife or kids to fight for, and my parents are in their late 70’s. I spent a lot of my life fighting to make things better and it’s only gotten worse faster, I’m tired, I’m burnt out, and I just don’t care anymore, I just want to pass the torch to someone who still cares and then live a quiet life.
if you dont, you confirm for the enemy that you want them to enslave you
if I could just exist in a room with my things and a pet dog forever (or just the rest of my natural life) and never interact with another human being ever again, I would jump at the chance. The social contract I have been forced to participate in merely by being born – one in which I have to pay money to live (read: live normally. yes, you can live off the land off the grid in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, this does not make it a practical solution for everyone and their grandmother), unlike every other living creature on this planet, in a world of adversarial sociopaths controlling 99.9% of said money – I would have chosen not to sign had I had the opportunity. The juice is simply not worth the squeeze, not in this world, not for me in this life.
You’ve pretty much described my life. Mostly just me and my dogs. But I do still have to leave sometimes. :(
Same, but my cats instead.
I am not suicidal. I just don’t give a fuck if I wake up dead one day.
there’s a reason my username is shortened from the Latin for “I want to leave”. I don’t necessarily want to die, I just don’t want to be here anymore. Unfortunately for us both, leaving society as a whole without dying is rather difficult.
“Stop the world, I wanna get off,” is one of my favorite phrases.
Lately, I’ve been rationalizing it as “I don’t want to die, I want to WANT to live.”
Still figuring out how to make it happen, but at least now I’ve got a catchy slogan for it
I feel like one of those Chinese bears they keep in concrete cages to milk for bile.
Therapy and a more positive outlook on life is not gonna solve my problems.
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It helped me insomuch as it helped me verbalize my grievances. Did shit to address them, only I can do that, and I can’t do shit about them.
You can, unless your teeth or something else becomes a health problem you can’t fix.
That really is the most important thing stopping me even if there’s but a small chance this will happen.
It’s a game of luck, you could live to 90 if you go to a fertile area without extreme conditions.
I’m sure there’s plenty of those people out there.
You obviously won’t hear them or of them.
And you can get a disease while in society and still die because there is no cure.You can, unless your teeth or something else becomes a health problem you can’t fix.
✨ they already are ✨
2030 could be when a new teeth regrowing medicine comes on the market, have been following this for a few years now.
they should last you for a lifetimeIf it’s what I think it is, it’s only for congenital missing teeth. Do you have a link?
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a71184991/human-new-tooth-regrowth-trials-timeline/
“for all forms of toothlessness”
Every other creature lives exactly like you described you don’t want to live: off the land, off grid, in the middle of nowhere.
What you want is all the comforts of society (running potable water, sewage systems, electricity, internet, Uber eats, heating, A/C, firefighters, roads, etc) without any of the obligations.
The winderness is out there, be free!
yeah but it’s almost like those comforts and services of modern society should be able to still be performed without trying to extract value for shareholders and we just choose not to because line go up make (rich) monkey brain happy. I believe there are, in fact, plenty of people willing to do the things that make the world run, completely for free, if only we did not operate on a global system that enriches shareholders, executives and politicians while paying the people doing the actual work a pittance and forcing them to struggle to survive.
And let’s be very clear about what your definition of “obligations to society” is – busting your ass creating value that is extracted from you for ~40 years for comparatively dogshit pay on the tenuous promise of retirement somewhere down the line, a promise that is actively being taken back by the upper class. Now, you work until you die unless you’re very, very lucky. I don’t find that a very compelling or fair deal, and if you do, would you be interested in purchasing a bridge?
Last I checked, water systems, sewage, roads, schools, firefighters, etc are not owned by capitalists/billionaires/whoever your enemy is.
Rome had some of those. The Soviet union had those. North Korea has those.
If your problem is with capitalism, don’t blame “society”, just move to one of the communist paradises out there.
https://markorton.substack.com/p/fire-engines-monopolies-and-private
Everything those services use to provide services is being slowly and destructively consumed by capital driven money extraction.
Yeah you should go live in the bush for a few years. Your mind has been cooked by populism.
and you have stockholm syndrome for capitalism, but I forgive you.
What economic system do you prefer?
Absolutely rational take, in my opinion. Social contract has been broken, I feel no obligation at all fulfilling my end of the deal. As far as I’m concerned me and society have separated but still have to live under the same roof, for now.
If this is true, why are you here on lemmy, leaving comments and interacting with society?
to add to what @Kaerkob@lemmy.world said: because here, I get to decide exactly how much interacting with people I’m willing to engage in and have multiple ways of controlling who I do so with (blocking certain instances so I don’t see their posts, blocking smartassed trolls, etc.)
I love this comic so fucking much, it perfectly encapsulates that dude, his ilk, and their mentality.
I get to decide exactly how much interacting with people I’m willing to engage in and have multiple ways of controlling who I do so with
You just described hanging out with friends
Not really, though… There’s all kinds of social rules to follow and if you’re hosting people, while potentially valid, if you at one point just say “alright, everyone out, I’ve had enough” you ruin it for all the people who wanted to hang out.
If you go on a asynchronous anonymous online forum, you can stop interacting at any point for any reason and everyone will be fine with it and not care.
Well, then you don’t invite them to your house, you hang out anywhere else in the world and when you are tired you say “alright, I’m gonna head home, have a good one everyone”. Like a normal person, you know?
Let’s just be normal real quick :D
It doesn’t matter where you are. When you go to another place it’s the same, you are not at home instantly when you start to leave, you have to ride buses and trains where there is more people.
Or drive a car, or motorbike, or bicycle, or you walk. With noise canceling headphones.
I want to leave just like volore. However I don’t want to die and I don’t want to hurt those I love by dying. I read and post as a distraction from all of this ridiculousness that I cannot change.
Another one who thinks he’s going to die without society?!
My point being - the fact that you are posting on here, a social media site, filled with people, is proof positive that you do not actually want to live a completely isolated life.
If you actually wanted a life without people, you would also be giving up pretty much everything on the internet, as well as all books, movies, tv, and music, as these are also forms of interacting with people.
Missing the whooooole fucking point. Nobody here says they don’t want to ever interact with humans again. GTFO with that “uhh actually technically you are wrong løl” bullshit, these are definitely valid takes for people to have on modern society, shit, they’re in abundant company.
Edit: Eh sorry for being a cunt. I visited my cousin for two weeks and he was a cunt, like, I love him, but jesus christ, and it rubbed off on me. I guess we are all just a bunch of cunts in the end.
Nobody here says they don’t want to ever interact with humans again.
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