• Ricky Rigatoni@piefed.zip
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        5 hours ago

        Wherever you’re going with this is probably going to be irrelevant to my point so I’ll just ignore it.

        • Velma@lemmy.today
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          Effeminate men aren’t treated poorly in isolation was more the point I was going to make.

          You can pretend that the patriarchy doesn’t affect you, but it’s just a facade.

          • Ricky Rigatoni@piefed.zip
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            How do you read a comment that talks about men treating femininity poorly and conclude it’s ignoring the existance of the patriarchy?

  • Railcar8095@lemmy.world
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    Is this one reversible? A woman that doesn’t want to seem masculine treats men badly?

    How does it consider trans men who want to be perceived with their gender, not their assigned one?

    This one I’m sorry but I don’t buy it. It might have negative connotations in some cases, but as a broad generalization doesn’t hold water

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      11 hours ago

      Let’s not hide behind “society”.

      Let’s take up OPs challenge and, each of us, take a hard look at how we treat and think of women, and if we were a woman, would we like being treated that way?

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          I’ll say that to any man or to any rodent that needs to hear it.

          Putting yourself in another person’s place and using that as the measure of how people should act is not a question of society, culture or religion.

          It’s basic human decency and human rights, and the cornerstone of many a religion, if you’re so inclined.

          I’m not saying that this Afghan man needs to march outside this very instant with posters and protest for women’s rights, that would accomplish nothing other than getting shot.

          What I’m saying is that every one of us needs to reflect on how we treat others - and it doesn’t matter who, men, women, white, black, anything - and if we wouldn’t want to be treated in the same way, then we need to change what we’re doing.

          If you don’t understand this, you’re scum and I don’t want you anywhere near me or my loved ones.

  • Bazell@lemmy.zip
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    10 hours ago

    How this connects to production? I think that this would be better to place in other comunities.