Why is race not based on how you perceive yourself? There are many people who walk the line between races, should they be forced to be the race that others think that they best match?
Ok then. I don’t give a shit about gender. That isn’t biological. That’s psychological.
Only care about sex. That’s biological.
Race is based on hereditary and genetics. It’s not reducible to simply skin color. Race is a spectrum, so there’s endless ‘off-whites.’
People aren’t born with identities anymore than they are culture. No one is born with a gender, apparently. They’re born with a sex.
If you leave young kids alone they’ll eventually get naked and, uh, investigate each other … regardless of sex.
Now you understand where TERFs are coming from. Right? Right?
Right?
One could argue no one is born with a gender identity. No one is born with a sexual orientation. But thinking makes it so. So where do those thoughts come from? Because it’s not kids.
ok, so no word of a lie, i saw your comment, look at the name, read it as “fascistBasis” and I’m like dayum, they be self identifying and everything nowadays.
OK, so i really need to preface this with the fact that this is a genuine question, my knowledge of political ideologies and their naming schemes is basically “things i heard in passing on the internet”.
Also apologies if it’s a joke that i’ve /whooshed on.
What is the difference between the type of democratic socialist you are and a social democrat.
The reason i ask is that the only other social democrat (or democratic socialist, assuming there isn’t a difference) political ideology I’ve heard of was the precursor to the nazi’s.
It’s really not a dig, i’m interested in the answer.
See: Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), Bernie Sanders, Zohran Mamdani, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez(AOC), or other progressive democrats or independents.
That video isn’t loading for me.
As far as I know, yes they are similar. (social democrat to democratic socialist)
I guess the difference is inclusivity. And if we’re talking a Party or ideology(capitalization matters, like I’m a democrat, but not a Democrat.)
Unlike Nazis, I’m for inclusivity. Come as you are, all faiths welcome.
But I also personally detest body mutilation. Even when they want it. Yea, all forms. So tattoos, piercings, gauges, split tongues, etc. but to be clear: I don’t think it should be illegal for adults to ‘mutilate themselves’, voluntarily. It’s just not for me. It’s a gut feeling kind of thing.
I think maybe, psychologically, it’s because it is seeking external validation. To “pass” as the kids say. I don’t think people should need to “pass”… You’re good as your are. I don’t think you’re going to improve on God’s design.
See: Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), Bernie Sanders, Zohran Mamdani, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez(AOC), or other progressive democrats or independents.
As far as I know, yes they are similar. (social democrat to democratic socialist)
I guess the difference is inclusivity. And if we’re talking a Party or ideology(capitalization matters, like I’m a democrat, but not a Democrat.)
Unlike Nazis, I’m for inclusivity. Come as you are, all faiths welcome.
Useful and mostly answers my question, thanks.
But I also personally detest body mutilation. Even when they want it. Yea, all forms. So tattoos, piercings, gauges, split tongues, etc. but to be clear: I don’t think it should be illegal for adults to ‘mutilate themselves’, voluntarily. It’s just not for me. It’s a gut feeling kind of thing.
Fair enough.
I think maybe, psychologically, it’s because it is seeking external validation. To “pass” as the kids say. I don’t think people should need to “pass”… You’re good as your are.
You lost me at this bit though, by that rationale anything external that isn’t strictly functional would fall under this category.
Coloured clothes, haircuts that aren’t just to keep the hair out of your eyes, any accessories of any kind ?
It also feels like a big leap to claim external validation as the only reason for personal expression.
That being said, as long as you aren’t forcing it on other people, you do you, personal choice is important.
I don’t think you’re going to improve on God’s design.
I’m going to be honest, I don’t like this way of thinking, at all.
I’m all for personal faith, but the problems with that statement aren’t theistic in nature, they’re logical.
The only way that statement works is if it’s absolute. If God’s design is perfect it has to be “perfect”.
If any part of the design is questionable then it’s all questionable.
I take that back, you could argue that we can’t improve upon gods design in just the areas we are talking about (body mods) but then i’d follow up: with why can we not improve upon body-mod related areas, but we can on something like vision for instance?
Easy go-to examples are everywhere
Spectacles being a prime example.
Wheelchairs, or any mobility aid really.
Hearing aids, inhalers.
The most contextually relevant example i can think of is a cleft lip, something that you could live a full life with but would be significantly better off without.
I believe you’re responding to an argument I didn’t quite make.
I wasn’t saying “any external change = validation.” I was talking specifically about physiological body modification done to fit in or ‘pass’ … that’s a much narrower category than general self-expression via…
Clothes, hairstyles, accessories, etc. aren’t comparable. Those are temporary, low-stakes, and reversible. I’m talking about chronic physical changes to the body.
And even then, I didn’t claim external validation is the only reason, but just that it’s a common psychological driver in some cases.
So no, the logic doesn’t expand to “everything non-functional.” That’s a mischaracterization.
On the “God’s design” point, you’re also stretching it into areas I wasn’t talking about. Medical interventions like glasses, mobility aids, or corrective surgery (like cleft lip repair) are about restoring function or alleviating harm.
My counter would be the opposite. And this is really the core. If cleft lips became a fad and people willingly cleft their own lips when they were normal before. That’s insane, IMO. That’s jumping off the cliff because Bobby Jones did.
If you want to challenge the position, that’s fine, but it should be the position I actually stated, not a broader version of it.
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Why is race not based on how you perceive yourself? There are many people who walk the line between races, should they be forced to be the race that others think that they best match?
because nobody’s black or white. These categories solely represent ethnicities considered desirable vs undesirable. Irish people weren’t white.
So everybody’s Irish? I don’t get it.
Exactly. One day paddies will rule the world and it’ll all be ireland
How would you even ‘force to be a race’ ?
You can force people’s gender by criminalizing gender affirming care
Do you think banning blackface is remotely comparable?
Whiteness is an exclusionary concept, it’s entire purpose is to create an in-group and out-group.
Whiteness as a social structure is perhaps the most pervasive descriptor of difference, being, and non-being. Structures of whiteness and being formally delimit the identities, bodies, and lives of non-white people. Frantz Fanon recognizes this in his depiction of identity in the book Black Skin, White Masks.
Ok then. I don’t give a shit about gender. That isn’t biological. That’s psychological.
Only care about sex. That’s biological.
Race is based on hereditary and genetics. It’s not reducible to simply skin color. Race is a spectrum, so there’s endless ‘off-whites.’
People aren’t born with identities anymore than they are culture. No one is born with a gender, apparently. They’re born with a sex.
If you leave young kids alone they’ll eventually get naked and, uh, investigate each other … regardless of sex.
Now you understand where TERFs are coming from. Right? Right?
Right?
One could argue no one is born with a gender identity. No one is born with a sexual orientation. But thinking makes it so. So where do those thoughts come from? Because it’s not kids.
gross
Got that one labeled as a fascist so, checks out
Huh. Mine says “ugly transphobe.”
You can label users on here? Like private notes? Or am I misunderstanding you?
At least some apps allow you to. I’m using Thunder. I think interstellar allows it to
ok, so no word of a lie, i saw your comment, look at the name, read it as “fascistBasis” and I’m like dayum, they be self identifying and everything nowadays.
then realised my mistake.
I guess TERF would be more exact
Their controversial comments are less bad than I expected from my previous interaction with them, besides the TERFbrained comments
Yeah that was an easy block
I’m a Democratic socialist, Stalin.
OK, so i really need to preface this with the fact that this is a genuine question, my knowledge of political ideologies and their naming schemes is basically “things i heard in passing on the internet”.
Also apologies if it’s a joke that i’ve /whooshed on.
What is the difference between the type of democratic socialist you are and a social democrat.
Is it a Peoples Front Of Judea type of thing ? or is there a legitimate difference?
The reason i ask is that the only other social democrat (or democratic socialist, assuming there isn’t a difference) political ideology I’ve heard of was the precursor to the nazi’s.
It’s really not a dig, i’m interested in the answer.
See: Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), Bernie Sanders, Zohran Mamdani, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez(AOC), or other progressive democrats or independents.
That video isn’t loading for me.
As far as I know, yes they are similar. (social democrat to democratic socialist)
I guess the difference is inclusivity. And if we’re talking a Party or ideology(capitalization matters, like I’m a democrat, but not a Democrat.)
Unlike Nazis, I’m for inclusivity. Come as you are, all faiths welcome.
But I also personally detest body mutilation. Even when they want it. Yea, all forms. So tattoos, piercings, gauges, split tongues, etc. but to be clear: I don’t think it should be illegal for adults to ‘mutilate themselves’, voluntarily. It’s just not for me. It’s a gut feeling kind of thing.
I think maybe, psychologically, it’s because it is seeking external validation. To “pass” as the kids say. I don’t think people should need to “pass”… You’re good as your are. I don’t think you’re going to improve on God’s design.
Useful and mostly answers my question, thanks.
Fair enough.
You lost me at this bit though, by that rationale anything external that isn’t strictly functional would fall under this category.
Coloured clothes, haircuts that aren’t just to keep the hair out of your eyes, any accessories of any kind ?
It also feels like a big leap to claim external validation as the only reason for personal expression.
That being said, as long as you aren’t forcing it on other people, you do you, personal choice is important.
I’m going to be honest, I don’t like this way of thinking, at all.
I’m all for personal faith, but the problems with that statement aren’t theistic in nature, they’re logical.
The only way that statement works is if it’s absolute. If God’s design is perfect it has to be “perfect”.If any part of the design is questionable then it’s all questionable.I take that back, you could argue that we can’t improve upon gods design in just the areas we are talking about (body mods) but then i’d follow up: with why can we not improve upon body-mod related areas, but we can on something like vision for instance?
Easy go-to examples are everywhere
The most contextually relevant example i can think of is a cleft lip, something that you could live a full life with but would be significantly better off without.
I believe you’re responding to an argument I didn’t quite make.
I wasn’t saying “any external change = validation.” I was talking specifically about physiological body modification done to fit in or ‘pass’ … that’s a much narrower category than general self-expression via…
Clothes, hairstyles, accessories, etc. aren’t comparable. Those are temporary, low-stakes, and reversible. I’m talking about chronic physical changes to the body.
And even then, I didn’t claim external validation is the only reason, but just that it’s a common psychological driver in some cases. So no, the logic doesn’t expand to “everything non-functional.” That’s a mischaracterization.
On the “God’s design” point, you’re also stretching it into areas I wasn’t talking about. Medical interventions like glasses, mobility aids, or corrective surgery (like cleft lip repair) are about restoring function or alleviating harm.
My counter would be the opposite. And this is really the core. If cleft lips became a fad and people willingly cleft their own lips when they were normal before. That’s insane, IMO. That’s jumping off the cliff because Bobby Jones did.
If you want to challenge the position, that’s fine, but it should be the position I actually stated, not a broader version of it.
Lol that checks out
Downvote. Unsubstantial.
Living up to your username
Isn’t that the point?
No
No.
You might need fallopian tubes to understand.
No.
Gotcha. I can explain things to you, but I can’t understand them for you.
Have a good day.
Fuck off, JK.