Obviously, the only way to end FPTP while working within the system is to vote for people who are against FPTP.
If they don’t oppose FPTP, then they are fine with Republicans and are playing you for a fool. Yes they know, everyone has known since the 2000 election.
FPTP is not the problem, that works well for presidentials, which is what everyone cares. The problem is with Winner Takes All and electoral college, which means your vote is worth very little in all but swing states.
FPTP doesn’t work well at all for presidential elections. FPTP is infamously why George W. Bush became president. It’s why we have a “two” party duopoly who want to keep it that way.
No objection to proportional representation, but that’s a little further out than “can we vote for people who are actually good”. It’s a much tougher sell.
Same with the electoral college - sure it sucks, but that’s not why otherwise good people vote for genocide.
FPTP doesn’t work well at all for presidential elections. FPTP is infamously why George W. Bush became president.
Al Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 presidentials, which in a true FPTP, would have netted him the POTUS.
Trump also lost the popular vote, but Clinton got really screwed by the Electoral College. Would life (in the US) have been better if Al Gore and Hillary Clinton had been made presidents instead of Bush and Trump (notably two of the worst presidents)?
Maybe. But the fact is that under a purely FPTP presidentials, Bush would not have won.
No offense, but were you an adult by 2000? The popular vote wasn’t done counting until after the Supreme Court ruled in Bush’s favor. Had there been no spoiler effect, it wouldn’t have been close, and the Supreme Court wouldn’t have ruled on it.
Obviously, the only way to end FPTP while working within the system is to vote for people who are against FPTP.
If they don’t oppose FPTP, then they are fine with Republicans and are playing you for a fool. Yes they know, everyone has known since the 2000 election.
FPTP is not the problem, that works well for presidentials, which is what everyone cares. The problem is with Winner Takes All and electoral college, which means your vote is worth very little in all but swing states.
FPTP doesn’t work well at all for presidential elections. FPTP is infamously why George W. Bush became president. It’s why we have a “two” party duopoly who want to keep it that way.
No objection to proportional representation, but that’s a little further out than “can we vote for people who are actually good”. It’s a much tougher sell.
Same with the electoral college - sure it sucks, but that’s not why otherwise good people vote for genocide.
Al Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 presidentials, which in a true FPTP, would have netted him the POTUS.
Trump also lost the popular vote, but Clinton got really screwed by the Electoral College. Would life (in the US) have been better if Al Gore and Hillary Clinton had been made presidents instead of Bush and Trump (notably two of the worst presidents)?
Maybe. But the fact is that under a purely FPTP presidentials, Bush would not have won.
No offense, but were you an adult by 2000? The popular vote wasn’t done counting until after the Supreme Court ruled in Bush’s favor. Had there been no spoiler effect, it wouldn’t have been close, and the Supreme Court wouldn’t have ruled on it.
I am not American and I just read the wiki page over…