Russia has brought some 700,000 children from the conflict zones in Ukraine into Russian territory, Grigory Karasin, head of the international committee in the Federation Council, Russia's upper house of parliament, said late on Sunday (2 July) "In recent years, 700,000 children have found refuge with us, fleeing the bombing and shelling from the conflict […]
UN Reported, ‘the total civilian death toll of the conflict has reached at least 3,390. The number of injured civilians is estimated to exceed 7,000.’ https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2021-11/aPR32_final_ENG.pdf. The same document reports: ‘Thirteen civilian casualties resulted from active hostilities: four killed (all men) and nine injured (seven men and two women). Seventy-seven per cent of these (four killed and six injured) were recorded in territory controlled by self-proclaimed ‘republics’, and 23 per cent (three injured) in the Government-controlled part of Donetsk region. For example, on 14 April 2021, a man was killed by mortar shelling in armed group-controlled Donetsk; and on 19 June 2021, a man was injured by heavy machine gun fire in Government-controlled Avdiivka (Donetsk region).’
UN Security Council meeting on 29 May 2018 reported’: “The conflict [in eastern Ukraine] continues to test the credibility of international and regional organizations and erodes the trust Member States need to work together in the interest of Europe’s stability,” said Rosemary DiCarlo, Under‑Secretary‑General for Political Affairs. Repeated pledges to respect the ceasefire as laid out in the 2015 Minsk agreements had failed to end the fighting, now in its fifth year. Destruction and immense suffering continued, she said, noting that the civilian death toll stood at more than 2,700, with up to 9,000 injured.’ https://press.un.org/en/2018/sc13357.doc.htm
Wait, are you trying to say the Russia-backed Donbas “republic” was illegitimate and those separatists who were killed were actually Ukrainians?
You can’t have it both ways. You don’t get to proclaim Donbas a separate country and then claim that when those separatists were killed for waging war on Ukraine, they were Ukrainians.
Get your story straight. Either Donbas is part of Ukraine and these guys were basically terrorists trying to destroy the country, or citizens of the “Donbas People’s Republic” were killed, not Ukrainians.
You’ve completely lost me. I have no idea what you’re talking about. You may be confusing me with someone else. I’ve not made any claims about Donbas being a separate country. I don’t think it works like that. And I’ll have to check the details but I the Minsk agreements may have spoken of autonomous regions rather than separate countries.
The linked UN report(s) detail how so many thousands of people were killed in Eastern Ukraine in the years following 2014. Whether whatever happened afterwards changes or leaves unaffected the legal status of those regions, the fact remains that five digits of people were killed, with many more injured, and seven digits of people were displaced. And completely regardless of what Russian, Ukrainian, or Separatist government officials or actors were doing, the affected people were overwhelmingly innocent civilians just trying to go about their daily lives. Killing them indiscriminately is both (a) an historical fact and (b) wrong.
And yet… a brief internet search will reveal (and I have deliberately found a mixture of sources, most of which are anti-Russian)…
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Ah, it’s “pretend Russia didn’t invade Crimea and start messing with shit in 2014” time, eh?
Yeah, no… Sorry, but this shit doesn’t work anymore. You guys need to get better material.
What does Crimea have to do with Donbas?
Oh, come on… Russia started annexing Crimea and sending infiltrators into Donbas to prop up separatists at about the same time.
Okay, and does that make it acceptable for Ukraine to shell Ukrainians? That is what the linked sources evidence.
Wait, are you trying to say the Russia-backed Donbas “republic” was illegitimate and those separatists who were killed were actually Ukrainians?
You can’t have it both ways. You don’t get to proclaim Donbas a separate country and then claim that when those separatists were killed for waging war on Ukraine, they were Ukrainians.
Get your story straight. Either Donbas is part of Ukraine and these guys were basically terrorists trying to destroy the country, or citizens of the “Donbas People’s Republic” were killed, not Ukrainians.
Pick one.
You’ve completely lost me. I have no idea what you’re talking about. You may be confusing me with someone else. I’ve not made any claims about Donbas being a separate country. I don’t think it works like that. And I’ll have to check the details but I the Minsk agreements may have spoken of autonomous regions rather than separate countries.
The linked UN report(s) detail how so many thousands of people were killed in Eastern Ukraine in the years following 2014. Whether whatever happened afterwards changes or leaves unaffected the legal status of those regions, the fact remains that five digits of people were killed, with many more injured, and seven digits of people were displaced. And completely regardless of what Russian, Ukrainian, or Separatist government officials or actors were doing, the affected people were overwhelmingly innocent civilians just trying to go about their daily lives. Killing them indiscriminately is both (a) an historical fact and (b) wrong.