Had to look this up and there is a bit more to it, no? From what i understand Kyle Gass made a joke on stage about when Trump got shot (like only a few days later) saying something like “dont miss Trump next time” and Jack Black then canceled the remaining conserts. I understand it sucked for everyone that had bought tickets, but imo not unreasonable given the situation…
Tours involve a lot of people, ensuring the safety of all of those people is one of the responsibilities of the performers and other decision makers. That is hard to do against a rabid fan base of Trump supporters that Kyle Gass/Tenacious D pissed off.
If Kyle Gass’ comments only affected him or Jack Black then I am sure they would have just ignored the backlash or made a simple apology. His comment didn’t just affect the two of them but everyone who worked on the tour, including the venue employees, promoters and anyone else in their proximity. Putting the livelihood and safety of the people you are responsible for is an entirely different situation than just acquiescing or giving into the MAGA crowd. It is about being responsible with the platform you have and protecting those who may be hurt by how you use that platform.
It sucks it went down the way it did as they clearly aren’t Trump supports but taking responsibility to protect others they care about was an empathetic and responsible thing to do for the thousands of people they put at risk during their international tour as any future concert could have become a target.
Jack Black is not a dumb guy and every thing I have seen or heard of him beforehand gave me the impression that he is a caring and warmhearted person. I can easily see a person like that would make a choice to take the reputational and financial hit to protect his fans safety and wellbeing.
It wasn’t about whether Kyle Gass was right or the fans didn’t agree with it. Kyle Gass and Jack Black didn’t want to gamble the safety of their fans by stepping into a huge ongoing and developing international political quagmire.
You’re not ensuring the safety of anyone by refusing to oppose Donald Trump. You’re endangering them all. Safety comes with solidarity and numbers. Danger comes from unopposed autocrats.
Safety doesn’t only come from solidarity and numbers, danger comes in many forms and through many means.
Kyle Gass’ comment threatened the safety and security of everyone involved with their international tour, employee, fan and etc at a time of heightened political tension.
Cancelling the tour was to the benefit of others and should not be seen as Jack Black agreeing with Donald Trump or disagreeing with what Kyle Gass said, it was the responsible thing to do.
The two things can be true.
Are you honestly saying that Tenacious D cancelling their tour endangered everyone?
Yes, I do say that, particularly Kyle Gass. Jack Black should have not made a big deal out of the joke at all, but furthermore Jack Black should have stood alongside Kyle and everyone else who opposes Trump. The more people who openly vocally oppose Trump, the safer they all are. Jack Black cancelling the tour did not magically make Kyle unsay the words, far from it.
I’m a consequentialist and I adhere to the intolerance paradox. Trump has killed millions indirectly, perhaps even millions directly with his policies, and has called for violence against his opponents, even invaded US population centers with the national guard. He is running labor camps and forcing migrants into them with no due process to enrich himself and the private prison industry.
I think Trump should be killed, Putin should be killed, Xi Jinping should be killed, etc. The social contract can never be one sided, that isn’t how anything works.
Typical privileged liberal response. For people target by ICE, they are already in the reign of terror. For women losing their rights, they are already in the reign of terror. For lgbt having their rights removed, they are already in the reign of terror. For those with families in Palestine, they are already in the reign of terror. I’m happy for you, you don’t know any of these groups, you have no empathy for these groups.
Those people being terrorised, no reign of terror. Alex pretti being shot, no reign of terror. A rich cishet white pedophile male being shot? Now you’re terrorised.
Wanna deal with my premises and conclusions now? Would you like to disagree with P1, P2, P3, C1 or C2? Or just tell me your terrorised by fascists having violence visited upon them?
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice […] - MLk letter from Birmingham jail
While we’re in this hypothetical, JD Vance would have lost the 2024 election. For the most part the current GOP is a cult centered around Trump’s personality and showmanship.
Also something to consider is that if the risks of being a piece of shit like Trump are so high then selfish people will be less inclined to try it. The USA was built around the concept that leaders should fear the public.
No man. In that hypothetical, you would have had a civil war on your hands with Trump as a martyr.
All of his devout cultists would have gone out to actually just murder every “lib”. If you think his cult is a terrorist organisation now, you can’t imagine how bad it would’ve been with him dead.
Murdering the figurehead of a violent movement doesn’t dissipate the impetus, it causes it to explode in every direction.
Look up the murder of Jorge Eliecer Gaitán, or Inukai Tsuyoshi, hell even Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
The death of an evil figurehead is not always the best path forward, because ideally we would want to avoid generalised death, destruction and bloodshed as much as possible.
A civil war might have had less casualties than ending USAID, putting Hegseth in charge of Israel and Iran, and the potential end of US Democracy as a whole. Russia and China aren’t any calmer or less bold by the Trump admin obtaining power, we’re a step closer to widespread war and potential global nuclear annihilation every passing moment.
Clearly the examples you gave aren’t worse outcomes than the Weimar Republic bending over and letting the Nazi Party take power.
This is complete conjecture, you might have just ended up with President JD Vance and no civil war, but a deeply - if not-more authoritarian US administration driven by vengeance that is also more capable.
When the optimal solution failed, and it did fail, Trump avoided prison by becoming president, then the next best solution is NOT to surrender. That’s just dumb. Trump becoming president is accelerationism, him becoming dead is a step towards return to normal democracy.
IMO, I would have been more worried that a comment like that would invite some lunatic to try to shoot up the next concert as revenge for the insult to their orange god king. Can understand the idea of not wanting to invite the front line of democracy to their next venue. Cowardly, but understandable.
Had to look this up and there is a bit more to it, no? From what i understand Kyle Gass made a joke on stage about when Trump got shot (like only a few days later) saying something like “dont miss Trump next time” and Jack Black then canceled the remaining conserts. I understand it sucked for everyone that had bought tickets, but imo not unreasonable given the situation…
It was Kyle Gass’ birthday and they brought a cake on stage and he blew out the candles and for his wish he said “Don’t Miss next time”.
I think cancelling the tour over that was completely unreasonable, I think Kyle Gass was not only correct but voicing the opinion of the majority.
I agree. It was a knee-jerk reaction of Al Franken proportions.
Tours involve a lot of people, ensuring the safety of all of those people is one of the responsibilities of the performers and other decision makers. That is hard to do against a rabid fan base of Trump supporters that Kyle Gass/Tenacious D pissed off.
If Kyle Gass’ comments only affected him or Jack Black then I am sure they would have just ignored the backlash or made a simple apology. His comment didn’t just affect the two of them but everyone who worked on the tour, including the venue employees, promoters and anyone else in their proximity. Putting the livelihood and safety of the people you are responsible for is an entirely different situation than just acquiescing or giving into the MAGA crowd. It is about being responsible with the platform you have and protecting those who may be hurt by how you use that platform.
It sucks it went down the way it did as they clearly aren’t Trump supports but taking responsibility to protect others they care about was an empathetic and responsible thing to do for the thousands of people they put at risk during their international tour as any future concert could have become a target.
Jack Black is not a dumb guy and every thing I have seen or heard of him beforehand gave me the impression that he is a caring and warmhearted person. I can easily see a person like that would make a choice to take the reputational and financial hit to protect his fans safety and wellbeing.
It wasn’t about whether Kyle Gass was right or the fans didn’t agree with it. Kyle Gass and Jack Black didn’t want to gamble the safety of their fans by stepping into a huge ongoing and developing international political quagmire.
Commenters acting like the MAGA crowd aren’t above committing mass shootings as a treat
You’re not ensuring the safety of anyone by refusing to oppose Donald Trump. You’re endangering them all. Safety comes with solidarity and numbers. Danger comes from unopposed autocrats.
Safety doesn’t only come from solidarity and numbers, danger comes in many forms and through many means.
Kyle Gass’ comment threatened the safety and security of everyone involved with their international tour, employee, fan and etc at a time of heightened political tension.
Cancelling the tour was to the benefit of others and should not be seen as Jack Black agreeing with Donald Trump or disagreeing with what Kyle Gass said, it was the responsible thing to do.
The two things can be true.
Are you honestly saying that Tenacious D cancelling their tour endangered everyone?
Yes, I do say that, particularly Kyle Gass. Jack Black should have not made a big deal out of the joke at all, but furthermore Jack Black should have stood alongside Kyle and everyone else who opposes Trump. The more people who openly vocally oppose Trump, the safer they all are. Jack Black cancelling the tour did not magically make Kyle unsay the words, far from it.
I’m an old tenacious d fan, everything from the movie and after is rehashed crap
Kyle Gas is my hero. Fuck Jack for not being vocal, at the very least
fucker shouldn’t have said it out loud, clearly this is why the other assassin’s also missed
Jinxed it.
They’ve all been fake
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I’m a consequentialist and I adhere to the intolerance paradox. Trump has killed millions indirectly, perhaps even millions directly with his policies, and has called for violence against his opponents, even invaded US population centers with the national guard. He is running labor camps and forcing migrants into them with no due process to enrich himself and the private prison industry.
I think Trump should be killed, Putin should be killed, Xi Jinping should be killed, etc. The social contract can never be one sided, that isn’t how anything works.
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The world has one fewer asshole in it.
Taken to the extreme, the next asshole steps up, and gets his head blown off. This continues until the person who steps up isn’t an asshole.
Instead what happened was Trump didn’t get his head blown off, and Alex Pretti did.
P1 trump is an asshole
P2 fewer assholes in the world is a better world than one with more assholes.
C1 Had trump been removed from the world, there would be fewer assholes and as such been a better world.
P3 trump would have probably been succeeded by another asshole.
C2 had that asshole been removed from the world, the world would have fewer assholes still, and be better for it.
Instead we have fewer nurses.
Ah yes, the reign of terror — that worked out so well last time.
Typical privileged liberal response. For people target by ICE, they are already in the reign of terror. For women losing their rights, they are already in the reign of terror. For lgbt having their rights removed, they are already in the reign of terror. For those with families in Palestine, they are already in the reign of terror. I’m happy for you, you don’t know any of these groups, you have no empathy for these groups.
Those people being terrorised, no reign of terror. Alex pretti being shot, no reign of terror. A rich cishet white pedophile male being shot? Now you’re terrorised.
Wanna deal with my premises and conclusions now? Would you like to disagree with P1, P2, P3, C1 or C2? Or just tell me your terrorised by fascists having violence visited upon them?
So, let’s examine the possibilities:
You are a U.S. citizen and therefor a hypocrite for not having died on your sword already.
You are a foreigner with no skin in the game who should be focusing on problems at home (because there are).
Robespierre was killed by the end of the reign of terror. Maybe you should look at what happens when we indiscriminately kill people*.
Edit: because I don’t just disagree with them, fuck the conservatives — I just also recognize your suggestions are equally shit and reductive.
While we’re in this hypothetical, JD Vance would have lost the 2024 election. For the most part the current GOP is a cult centered around Trump’s personality and showmanship.
Also something to consider is that if the risks of being a piece of shit like Trump are so high then selfish people will be less inclined to try it. The USA was built around the concept that leaders should fear the public.
No man. In that hypothetical, you would have had a civil war on your hands with Trump as a martyr.
All of his devout cultists would have gone out to actually just murder every “lib”. If you think his cult is a terrorist organisation now, you can’t imagine how bad it would’ve been with him dead.
Murdering the figurehead of a violent movement doesn’t dissipate the impetus, it causes it to explode in every direction.
Look up the murder of Jorge Eliecer Gaitán, or Inukai Tsuyoshi, hell even Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
The death of an evil figurehead is not always the best path forward, because ideally we would want to avoid generalised death, destruction and bloodshed as much as possible.
A civil war might have had less casualties than ending USAID, putting Hegseth in charge of Israel and Iran, and the potential end of US Democracy as a whole. Russia and China aren’t any calmer or less bold by the Trump admin obtaining power, we’re a step closer to widespread war and potential global nuclear annihilation every passing moment.
Clearly the examples you gave aren’t worse outcomes than the Weimar Republic bending over and letting the Nazi Party take power.
This is complete conjecture, you might have just ended up with President JD Vance and no civil war, but a deeply - if not-more authoritarian US administration driven by vengeance that is also more capable.
Robespierre has entered the chat.
Demanding Trump go to prison is a consequence.
You’re an accelerationist.
That’s a demand.
Him actually going to prison would be a consequence if it ever happened.
Also two things can be true at once, wanting consequences and those consequences accelerating something can both be true.
Speaking from a purely technical viewpoint I’m not sure how you get acceleration from this assassination. What would accelerate exactly?
When the optimal solution failed, and it did fail, Trump avoided prison by becoming president, then the next best solution is NOT to surrender. That’s just dumb. Trump becoming president is accelerationism, him becoming dead is a step towards return to normal democracy.
A good quote that I don’t know who to atribute to but ‘I don’t wish death upon anyone, but there are obituaries that I’ll read with great enthusiasm.’
Why? The US government directly under Trump’s command is already assassinating US Citizens via ICE for political reasons.
Then you are wrong, simple as.
Only way to get him out
IMO, I would have been more worried that a comment like that would invite some lunatic to try to shoot up the next concert as revenge for the insult to their orange god king. Can understand the idea of not wanting to invite the front line of democracy to their next venue. Cowardly, but understandable.
We cannot all live in fear and silence. It only creates more suffering if we do that.