I don’t know why so many people hate it. I thought it was really gripping. Sure, some of the characters were pretty stupid. I hated Jesse, and Hank missed some pretty obvious signs. The real DEA would have caught Walter by the end of the first season. Some parts were a bit dragged out, But regardless I found it entertaining. I was definitely rooting for Walter at certain points.
I stopped after the first season, when they repeated the same plot in a row, I just kinda shrugged and moved on.
I loved breaking bad when it aired. I’m not sure how much i would like it now. People forget that the whole format was still kind of new back then.
ITT: lemmites circlejerking about how big a contrarian they are.
I mean everybody is entitled to their own opinions, and after so many seasons, inevitably a show will have moments that are better and worse.
However, if you just shit on Vince Gilligan shows in general, what kind of shows do you actually enjoy watching?
Potentially? In my experience people will flame you hard for not liking BB. Usually when people bring it up, if I mention I didn’t care for it, they get irrationally pissed.
One person even tried to tell me that the reason I didn’t like it was “because you’re young yet”. Like mf I’m in my 30s
I felt thing after stopping at season 2 and hearing about it after s4 started. I decided to catch up. I enjoyed it over all, but still felt it was too slow. Out of any “slow burn” character-driven shows show I at least moderately enjoyed it by the end? I’ll forever rue watching all of Mad Men.
Similarly, I will never go back to finish The Wire, The Americans, or Homeland after this.
You should not finish Homeland. I feel like they did not know where to go after the success of the first narrative arc. The Wire is slow but I found it worth it. At least watch the fuck scene.
I thought it was brilliant
Me too.
If it takes 30 episodes to not be boring, it’s not a good show.
BB wasn’t bad though, I just was completely unable to connect with it.
I feel this very strongly - I could even have written this comment - but I’d like to mention that Adventure Time is amazing … Two seasons in. Before that, it’s not a good show.
The joke is that episode 30 “Fly” is famously the lowest-rated episode of the series. At 7.9/10.
It’s my fave ❤️😁🤌
a slice-of-life of their insane and frustrating day to day locked away at that lab. it’s fine, it conveys exactly what it needs to.
Interestingly, that was the episode that made me stop watching.
I suspect I just don’t normally like watching shows about miserable people making other miserable people even more miserable, which made the fact that I really enjoyed Boardwalk Empire a surprise.
Guess there must be some other element to it.
Hm… yeah, I get that (not the part about Boardwalk Empire, haven’t seen that yet). Most people in BB are definitely miserable!
I liked BB a lot, especially on a second watch through many years later, but the main reason is probably just that I can understand why each character behaves the way they do - the writing is consistently “realistic” in a manner I haven’t really seen anywhere else with a comparable length.
one piece is awesome bro, i swear bro you just have to sit through about 150 episodes bro where it’s kinda bad bro, but it’s awesome bro i swear bro.
I don’t get why people hate on one piece so much
Why did people hate ‘Santa Barbara’? Because it existed to churn out endless drama that led nowhere.
I haven’t watched ‘One Piece’ and not ever planning to, but there’s no way that over a thousand episodes that go on for twenty-six years deliver any kind of a meaningful story that gives me something to think about.
I don’t know if you saw this meme that popped up here like a month ago
Edit: I want to add onto this that I think one of the big differences between one piece and other stuff is that one piece is a designed story. It has a start and a finish, it always has. Now, it isn’t over yet, so we’ll see. But just because something is long, does not mean it is bad. It often does, but it isn’t always the case.
Ironically and chaotically: you should try it.
The visual style takes getting used to, it is 1999 Toei a few years after DBZ. The funny but deeply serious style also takes some getting used to. It’s similar to JoJo’s bizarre adventure in that way. Jarring and confusing if you don’t get it, but it quickly makes sense once you let down your walls. It’s goofy and charming and inspiring as hell.
I seriously think it’s really worth a real try. I’d be very interested to know your thoughts after even like… ten episodes, if you do try it.
First ep is an arc all on its own, the next three are another arc, and then the next few are into the next arc. They just get longer and deeper each arc, is what happens. Even thinking about it makes me want to rewatch it again. It’s so good.
Absolutely not. I’ve just recently watched the two seasons of ‘Severance’, wherein Ben Stiller evidently thought himself to be modern Kubrick. For the foreseeable future I’m not watching anything that’s more than ten episodes start to finish (with an exception for ‘Berlin Alexanderplatz’). I want stories where the author has something to say, with beginning and an end, and I have a large backlog of classic films.
Severance? Is that the office/private mind division show on Apple streaming?
It looks like it has high reviews on imdb, even per ep except for s2e8. But even then, looks like the seasons started and ended strong. What didn’t you like about it?
But also, wanting something with a strong message is totally understandable. Not that one piece doesn’t, but I do understand what wavelength you’re on. For me, that comes in moods. Sometimes I want popcorn, other times I want philosophical provocation, and sometimes, I even want an answer, not an open ended series of impossible questions each leading towards depression or madness.
‘Severance’ has a great premise, strong atmosphere, and is overall made very well. Except it’s stretched beyond measure. The second season in particular has lots of shots where absolutely nothing is happening, just some landscapes or whatever for minutes on end. It’s painfully obvious that Apple or whoever decided they’re gonna have twenty seasons instead of three.
I like Kubrick a lot, love the space station shots in ‘2001’, and even then when in ‘Spartacus’ platoons of soldiers were marching to formation for ten minutes, I straight up fell asleep in my chair. I certainly don’t want an entire show of this, especially with the possibility of it ending nowhere.
I gave it up at season 2 when I first started watching.
Then I watched Better Call Saul years later and it was one of my all time favourites. Then I went back to Breaking Bad and liked it even better than Better Call Saul. Breaking Bad didn’t resonate with me initially and I’m so very glad I have it another chance.
Did you watch the movie el camino after bb? We just finished both for probably the 5th time, will watch bcs again this summer.
I haven’t. Thanks for the recommendation. I’ve added it to my watchlist.
It’s not a great movie, but it wraps up Jessie’s story pretty well. I liked it. Solid 7 in the BB universe. Lots of cameos too, which was cool.
I’m completely up for watching average media. When did we become too good for average? 5/10 is enough for me to give something a shot. Maybe even 4/10 if someone tells me it had some nugget of value.
Oh, I watch “avg” shit all the time. Anaconda only got a 4 on imdb, that shit was amazing. I don’t trust the numbers always. And siskel and ebert rated tommy boy the worst movie they’ve ever seen. Lmao. They can’t be trusted with reviews.
The third season really became boring as fuck somewhere half through it. Totally missed the density and speed of the first season. I think the fact that they got a contract to produce five seasons made them stretch the plot to the point where basically nothing happened over certain episodes. Compare that with the speed in which the early plot moved…
‘Severance’ must have like fifty seasons planned.
I’m crying inside 'cause I heard something along these lines in some random blog/post/idr. :c
I want it to end in a good place & at the right time before it grows a GoT season 8.
Third season is where I gave up. First two were good but didn’t draw me in enough to slog through the absolute snooze fest of the third. I’ve never been interested in going back.
I hate watching shows where you’re supposed to hate everyone. BB is one of those shows. Like how is that entertainment?
I agree about the fact that watching those type of shows is not enjoyable. But not everyone feels that way about Breaking Bad, including me. Yes the main characters do a lot of wrongs, but the writers do a good job at showing their humanity and didn’t portray them as “evil” people.
do you MST3K comment on your shows or do you sit back and take them in?
I don’t know what your sentence means.
do you make fun of your shows and shout “no don’t go in there” and whatnot and have puppet shows during breaks and pretend you are a little robot stuck in space (go watch Mystery Science Theater 3000 seriously) or do you sit in silence and enjoy cinema as critics and only the snootiest frenchmen demand cinema to be experienced? they’re both valid and fun, just y’know, they’re very different experiences
the mst3k experience is a little more fun for watching shows with hateable characters
My wife and I complain about shows constantly (I’m talking about the shows and movies we like!), pausing to point out every little thing, and I’m in absolutely no way a movie critic, in fact I hate most shows that critics like. If I was to watch a show where I hated every character I would be pausing every five seconds (this isn’t hyperbole, I’m being serious it would be every five seconds) to complain more and more. The show isn’t enjoyable when there’s literally zero reason to like anyone in it.
oh, the difference is we don’t pause it. we just turn on the subtitles
Exactly, well written, well acted but the absence of sympathetic protagonists killed it for me. I just couldn’t care.
I don’t blame you for not being able to watch a show without any sympathetic characters. I’m the same way. But I disagree about Breaking Bad not having any sympathetic characters though. I felt like it did. Yes, they were doing heinous stuff. But I feel like they did a good job at showing the main characters’ humanity despite the poor choices they have made.
But I do understand why you would see it the way you do. Shows resonate differently for different people.
I liked that they weren’t afraid to have the main character so unlikable. It also made more sense after I realized it was a Neo-Western.
yesssssss
I hate those shows where the first 3-6 episodes are just slow dramatic shots with no plot whatsoever
I vaguely remember some spy show where you didn’t learn any character names until episode 2or those where if you didn’t read the book you haven’t the slightest clue what’s happening for basically the entire first season
BB was a little slow at times. For that reason I don’t think it was as great as some people make it out to be.
I liked Better Call Saul a lot more. Didn’t seem as slow. But also seems like they didn’t really finish it properly or wrap up all the story arcs, which was a bummer.
I remember watching it. I don’t remember anything about it.
If you think breaking bad is boring, try better call Saul. A complete snooze fest, and chuck is the worst tv character ever too.
Blasphemy!
And Chuck was amazing!!
Really, it’s too slow. The 40 mins episodes could be condensed in 5 minutes shorts.
I rage quit during an episode where Kim Wexler asked “do you want a cup of tea?” And then proceeded of preparing it in FUCKING REAL TIME!!
Ok, it’s more cinematic, but usually when they do this they just take a cup prefilled behind the counter and move on, don’t need to show the whole process. Ok, probably it’s intentional, to show the detail how how empty and lonely were the cupboards but…
So, for me it’s too slow to be watched with full attention but at the same time there are too many important details that are shown “silently” to be watched while doing errands or something else
Maybe?
Did do you think they just oopsied that scene and just recorded him making tea?
From several angles?
Subtext can have layers, you know. But you are not supposed to wonder if they accidentally filmed to much. Those movies are very special
Chicanery!
I think Better Call Saul is one of the best series I’ve ever seen (better than BB)
I honestly can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but I kind of agree with those statements. I just couldn’t get into breaking bad or better call. Saul and I gave each of them a number of episodes to get there. I think it doesn’t help but I don’t like the characters and that makes me not want to hang around and see what happens.
Thats part of what made me keep watching. It’s almost masochistic. Walts character going further into the narcissistic abuse with each season is horrifying to me, but it’s also so well written through that psychological lens that it fascinates me.
The difference between that and BCS for me was mostly that there was a ton more back story to see how Jimmy’s psychology developed. I had a lot more sympathy for him.
Both are interesting to me in the sense of how TV shows were starting to pivot away from these more traditional perfect protagonists into complex mixtures of horrible people that I still wanted to root for. But again, masochistic for me, cuz I want to see the good in everyone — and that has come at the cost of understanding when I need to set boundaries and walk away irl. I like to tell myself its like exposure therapy when in reality I need professional therapy 💀
Why the skull? Are you beset by Ghosts?
I gave up on this show the day Vince Gilligan was born. I knew from that day forward he was destined to be a terrible screenwriter. I vowed to never watch anything he would create.
Pluribus is absolute kino though
I like pluribus but it is extremely slow though
Bet you can’t even write a single paragraph on why you think he sucks if you have to put in something objective.
Im absolutely shitposting. To be clear.
I’ve watched Breaking Bad in it’s entirety over a dozen times, BCS at least 4 times, El Camino twice. Finished Pluribus already. The only thing I haven’t really got into fanatically is X-files, but I don’t dislike it.
Oh. Sorry. I’m having a bad day and there’s always stupid ppl online, but I should’ve prolly caught that, haha. My b, bredda
You’re good, you couldn’t have known I wasn’t serious. There are people that really would despise Gilligan’s work that much.
The only thing I dislike of his is that fucking island.
Jesse is what killed it for me. He was tolerable and even decent in the first season but after that I just started to increasingly loathe him more and more until the point I couldn’t even stomach the idea of watching another episode. I loved everything else about the show too so it’s unfortunate.
Jesse’s supposed to be a complete dipshit but he has a really good redemption by the end in my opinion
That was my problem with the show too.
Smart person decides to cook meth…
Step 1: Partner with complete dipshit
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit
It’s not hard to cook meth especially if you have a science background.
EVERYTHING in the show is there to make cooking meth harder because if it wasn’t hard it would be a completely boring story.
My bro in christ no, the criminal meth distribution network is not easy
The reason Smart Person needed to partner up with Complete Dipshit is because he needed Complete Dipshit’s underground connections to 1) acquire some controlled substances using less than legal methods, and 2) to sell what he’s cooked up. Jesse wasn’t there to help with manufacturing, he was there to help with logistics. Walter couldn’t have done those on his own because not even the best chemistry departments at the bestest universities teach you how to steal precursor drugs or cold call psychotic drug lords for exciting new business opportunities.
For me it was Skyler, I know she’s not supposed to be likeable but that doesn’t excuse it for me.
I hate her character and she makes the show just unpleasant for me.
I did finish breaking bad though, about it being the best show of all time is not something I agree with. it’s alright
I hated Skyler the first time I watched it. The second time through, I felt a lot more sympathy for her character.
Nice, she’s been the reason I never attempted a rewatch. Maybe I should give it a try
I think Skyler is pretty universally disliked. I thought the kid was annoying too which pretty much undermines the whole premise of the show.
Whaaat? Walter White Jr. is the best character hands down
I didn’t mind the kid too much, I think it helps the plot because it becomes easier to see that for Walter it’s all about his ego
His kid also contrasts Jesse who’s basically the child Walter always wanted, witty and smart in ways Walter isn’t.
Same. His character just kept getting more and more annoying the whole time I watched.
Right there with you bud. I stopped after they killed the first drug lord in a wheelchair. I think it was the second season. Man what a boring show.
I kind of feel the same about Plur1bus, but at least that show is interesting to see very prominent locations completely void of population.
Plur1bus can do so much, but they do so little! The whole first season felt very empty to me. Aliens bad, aliens good, aliens bad. There you go, you’re up to speed. I do eagerly await to see if they can escalate it in the second season.
Neither of the shows bored me, but breaking bad had much better writing.
I felt breaking bad would have been better as 3 seasons instead of 5. The middle just dragged on too long.
Wow, it’s interesting how different shows resonate differently with different people. I was on the edge of my seat through the whole series.
You really did need to watch the entirety of malcolm in the middle after season 3 to get the full lore.
Not really everyone lives happily ever after
Everyone I know has stopped watching in Season 2, including me.
So glad I finished it though. It’s worth it after you get out of that rut.
I do not accept this. The first 3 seasons were incredible. The 4th season dragged.
Season 3 was when I really got into the show. The problem wasn’t that the first two seasons were slow, they were just really dour. Especially the first season.
I lost it during third. There literally were episodes where absolutely nothing was happening to proceed the plot. Just the usual characters doing their usual things.
I like to rip on it but it still had character development
I couldn’t get through Episode one for how horrible it is. I absolutely cant stand that show it’s so just. Dumb in my opinion. It was so bad I wanted to watch something else just to stop it or do anything else.
Judging any show based on the first episode is always a bad idea.
I stopped halfway through Resident Alien just to start over from the beginning to try & clip funny moments, and damn
I forgot that Alan Tudyk was not a complete hoot in the first episode. Just my take, I think he really found his character’s voice another episode or two in once Harry was more confident in himself around humans.
I got tired of the characters doing stupid things… Repeatedly
Hey, look, I’m with you, and to tell you the truth, I didn’t even watched itm
