I don’t see people discussing this enough. But in my opinion this is big, and needs to be amplified.

The Chinese are by and large irreligious, and yet they are trying to send money to the Islamic Republic to the point that the embassy in Beijing had to release a statement saying basically ‘thank you but we’re not seeking donations at this time’.

Meanwhile western ‘marxists’ can’t help but preface whatever they have to say about Iran with “but remember guys it’s a theocratic fascistic regime”. To their 10,000 twitter followers who all hail from Langley, Virginia, because that will surely change the tide.

Now, where did these netizens get the idea from that they support Iran? It doesn’t come out of nowhere. People who live/have been to China will be able to say more on this and how world politics are represented in Chinese media, but we see that even as the PRC takes a step back so to speak on the world stage (at least publicly), the masses in China still know what’s what. Nobody in the west wants to send money to the Islamic Republic right now, I can tell you that much (not that we could, it’s illegal in most western countries.)

China is very diplomatic in how they talk. They trade with ‘Israel’, because they will trade with anyone (and the Chinese will be quick to point out that trading is a neutral act). And conversely, the PRC is not very public about what they do behind the scenes. During this war, we have seen Chinese satellite imagery of the strikes against US bases. What’s interesting is that these were released publicly, likely as a flex to say “FYI if you were thinking of attacking us this is some of what we can do.”

This has led some to speculate that China is helping Iran in some ways, but that’s the thing: they’re not flashy about it. The White House publicizes every strike they make because they want to strike fear in your hearts, while China works diligently at the desk. That’s the difference. That’s why we think everything is resolved through bombs and guns - that’s just what we grew on.

When Yemen announced a blocus through the Gulf of Aden, Chinese and Russian ships were the only ones they allowed through. It has been reported that it is the same situation in Hormuz but the situation is still foggy so don’t jump to conclusions too quickly. IR mission to the UN denied that Iran blocked the Strait just earlier.

Still this doesn’t prevent the ever-so-righteous western communists from saying ‘but China does nothing, but China is not helping’.

First of all: a- did Yemen and Iran even ask China to participate in the war? No, they did not. And b- why should China help and not you? Is it because you don’t want to be on the receiving end of a bombing run? Well neither do the Chinese. So why should they die on your western word?

Frankly at this point anyone in the west that still follows the routine is not worth listening to anymore. They have become utterly irrelevant, just like that. Western marxism will not save us, it never has. It’s never produced anything other than, well, nothing. If your opinions begin with “well Iran is not great but-” I don’t wanna hear it. Everything that you say will be nonsense.

This goes for those highly-theoretical communists that think China is revisionist or dogmato-liberal-scato-whatever too. You have become completely irrelevant, just living in a very peculiar niche of “I think I’m helping!” but also “how come we can never rally more than 10 people who want to form a cult before exploding??”

Meanwhile the people in China know exactly what’s going on. Do you think they receive top-class political education in school? No, like every other student in the world, they just coast by until the exam and then promptly forget the material. And yet they still arrive at the correct conclusion.

If you want to be a marxist in the west, become an eastern marxist. that’s what ‘western marxism’ means: the ineffectual, CIA-approved ant mill that keeps you running in circles until you die of exhaustion.

Oh and this goes for ignorantly believing whatever western media prints about China too when it fits your preconceptions and stereotypes.

  • Damn I pretty much thought opposing NATO and western imperialism is a default for communists so that was the Communism I tried to learn more about. Only when already self-identifying as Marxist Leninist I learned about this guys that in my eyes larp as commies while propping up the shit that needs to be torn down.

    Maybe they are vocal online and get bot support ? I would be flabbergasted when meeting one IRL.

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      I think people are more likely to say what they really think online than IRL, so you spot them more easily. Even I wouldn’t open like I did in this post talking to people outside of some communities lol, I once had a discussion with a friend of a friend I’d just met about the DPRK and kept it to the “they’re a sovereign country that were split up in half illegally and I believe people are allowed to choose their path without foreign interference and war” for the most part lol.

      As for organizations I can’t speak to some universal truth but my experience was that you have a lot of very knowledgeable, disciplined youth but then the party itself is a cycle of “electoralism is a dead-end but we still need to do it now who wants to hang up the posters for the elections that we’ve been doing for the past 50 years!” - and rarely anything else. So it’s not like I would expect a (western) party to publish a polemic on the DPRK, they’re more concerned about winning seats. Same rot but different characteristics.

      Like it’s weird in a way. I look at what my previous party publishes on foreign affairs, and it’s generally good. Better than I would expect from my experience there. For example in January during the mossad riots in Iran, while they did add two lines about “the reactionary Iranian regime that kills protestors”, the entirety of their statement was about the sanctions, the color revolution attempt (didn’t name it as such but recognized it for what it was), and that all Iranians needed from us was to lift the sanctions and let them decide their own path. I think there’s two ways to read it, but it’s not so bad in my opinion. Could be better because it is a bit of a “trust me bro” which I don’t think will convince westerners.

      But then internally they’re mostly concerned about finding people for local elections, getting votes, passing around petitions. Some people are not communist at all in there, and I was told “it’s not a communist party” (great so what am I doing here lol). Any time you wanted to propose something it was shut down instantly because it deviated from what the important people wanted. The ex-president once said we are the guardrail to the social-democrats. They almost had a split over their position over the RU-UA war but ended up having, once again, a not-so-bad statement on it.