It’s fun to joke about, until you realize that this is horrifying news; as it eliminates almost $30B worth of trade. (Source taken from 2024 Spanish data) The US exports a ton of fossil fuels and industrial equipment. The more the US cuts themselves off, the more the global economy gets disrupted. This is once again, a losing situation for everyone.
They’ll pass any loss on to the American people, whether that’s jacking up prices or the government bailing them out with our tax dollars. What remains to be seen is just how much his average supporters will tolerate and justify until the cost to them becomes unbearable. I hope more nations follow this lead; cut us off or get him to cut your nation off, strangle us economically and make us a pariah on the global stage. His loyalists and bots and foreign bad actors may be a loud minority on the internet, but they’re still a minority and getting a free pass to be a western male chauvinist isn’t going to keep party-line voters content when their businesses fail, their mortgages default, and their kids start dying in Iran.
Thanks to their unified trade policy, the only way for Trump to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. I seriously doubt he’s willing to do that.
Yes, it protects the smaller countries as much as the big ones. Any trade retaliation, like cutting off Spain means all members would cut off USA.
All he’s doing is creating more states willing to drop USA softly. Denmark was shocked awake. Now Spain. Hopefully Ireland soon. France has always been moderately awake.
The USA is not a trustworthy partner. Their interests conflict with European values and European interests more and more.
Ruasia and china are worries, but Russia less so as it’s seen to be weak but disruptive. China acts reliably but sometimes against others interests. China are less collaborative but moving to be moreso. They will do what they can to fill the void.
Add all this uncertainty with another war in the middle east and we’re in for a rough few years. It looks like Iran has been preparing for a drawn out war for quite a while. The USA has not, yet started one.
Maybe losing in the short time, but getting rid of fossil dependency is in my opinion a good thing.
And most of the other things have (maybe suboptimal) alternatives.
Also, now Trump has no leverage against Spain, so that’s another good thing? And its time to increase trade with China, India, etc. 😸
Yeah! less fossil fuel dependency is great! But losing out on ~$10B worth of energy fuel is insane. Spain will need to make it up somewhere else, for probably more money. It will put a small strain on the fossil dependent sector of Spain, which is are usually near urban centers, if I’m not mistaken.
Also, there’s still the other 60%, over half of that industrial equipment. All I’m saying is, these things put strains on everyone, and it’s almost always gonna be poor people who take the worse hit and I just detest that. American laborers, who are in the manufacturing of these exports, many of whom did not vote for this. Spanish citizens who have a pretty good shot of seeing some small increases in prices. It’s just all so asanine.
edit: fucking forgot cause I’m a big dummy. petrol is mostly used for tankers in exporting, so petroleum shortages will lead to more decreases in a country’s gdp
It’d be nice, but the US is way too involved in global trade to be brutally fucked with like that. It’s China, then the US. The US is currently bleeding like a stuck hog, but it can bleed a very, very long time.
the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better
And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn’t vote for Trump, all the vulnerable… just… fuck 'em?
I don’t really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth. I think that’s going to make things even worse for everyone on earth.
imperialist BS, the US fucking over the globe for your benefit is good for you. the world stopping the US from fucking over the globe, which means it’ll just fuck over it’s people, is bad for you.
I don’t think turning the US into an isolated pariah state will stop the US from fucking over the globe. Quite the contrary, I think it will just make it even worse. I don’t think there’s any situation in which a nation will “just fuck over it’s people” - we live in a globalized world, that’s a pipe dream.
I think accelerationism is a very privileged take. The first people to die will be the most vulnerable, which obviously must not be you, or you wouldn’t refer to them as “it’s people”.
How many times has the world intervened in US actions? Folly to think so cavalier. Also, backing the US into a more desperate state, than it is now, is frankly horrifying. Geopolitics are totally fucked.
And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn’t vote for Trump, all the vulnerable… just… fuck 'em?
They can always overthrow him (and the rest of their ruling class). It’s one genocide too late to worry about Americans; at this point the world has to move on and they can sink or swim. I’m not happy it had to come to this, but given their complete inability to reign in their ruling class I’m not going to complain now that nature is running its course.
I don’t really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth.
Me neither, but it’s better than a murderous neocolonial empire with 1/4 of the world as vassal states. A lot, I daresay most, of the evil the US gets up to on a monthly basis is only made possible by the cooperation of its so-called allies.
no, it will just lead to a new power imbalance, eventually. the sickness that haunts the world is humanity. as long as there are people and and positions of authority, we will all continue to get fucked by the few.
oh no, how will Spain handle not being able to get American exports???
It’s fun to joke about, until you realize that this is horrifying news; as it eliminates almost $30B worth of trade. (Source taken from 2024 Spanish data) The US exports a ton of fossil fuels and industrial equipment. The more the US cuts themselves off, the more the global economy gets disrupted. This is once again, a losing situation for everyone.
The upside is that it has the potential to bring Europe even closer together.
crazy it hasn’t happened yet
Because people think EU is like the US when it’s much less united, not even having a common language.
Which also means that the people behind trump are also going to lose money. He can’t piss off his handlers.
Agreed, the man will listen to “the market”
They’ll pass any loss on to the American people, whether that’s jacking up prices or the government bailing them out with our tax dollars. What remains to be seen is just how much his average supporters will tolerate and justify until the cost to them becomes unbearable. I hope more nations follow this lead; cut us off or get him to cut your nation off, strangle us economically and make us a pariah on the global stage. His loyalists and bots and foreign bad actors may be a loud minority on the internet, but they’re still a minority and getting a free pass to be a western male chauvinist isn’t going to keep party-line voters content when their businesses fail, their mortgages default, and their kids start dying in Iran.
Good thing it’s not actually happening then.
Thanks to their unified trade policy, the only way for Trump to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. I seriously doubt he’s willing to do that.
Oh, neat! I was not aware of that.
Yes, it protects the smaller countries as much as the big ones. Any trade retaliation, like cutting off Spain means all members would cut off USA.
All he’s doing is creating more states willing to drop USA softly. Denmark was shocked awake. Now Spain. Hopefully Ireland soon. France has always been moderately awake.
The USA is not a trustworthy partner. Their interests conflict with European values and European interests more and more.
Ruasia and china are worries, but Russia less so as it’s seen to be weak but disruptive. China acts reliably but sometimes against others interests. China are less collaborative but moving to be moreso. They will do what they can to fill the void.
Add all this uncertainty with another war in the middle east and we’re in for a rough few years. It looks like Iran has been preparing for a drawn out war for quite a while. The USA has not, yet started one.
In theory.
that’s their secret cap, they always are. even when they’re not lol
Maybe losing in the short time, but getting rid of fossil dependency is in my opinion a good thing. And most of the other things have (maybe suboptimal) alternatives.
Also, now Trump has no leverage against Spain, so that’s another good thing? And its time to increase trade with China, India, etc. 😸
Yeah! less fossil fuel dependency is great! But losing out on ~$10B worth of energy fuel is insane. Spain will need to make it up somewhere else, for probably more money. It will put a small strain on the fossil dependent sector of Spain, which is are usually near urban centers, if I’m not mistaken.
Also, there’s still the other 60%, over half of that industrial equipment. All I’m saying is, these things put strains on everyone, and it’s almost always gonna be poor people who take the worse hit and I just detest that. American laborers, who are in the manufacturing of these exports, many of whom did not vote for this. Spanish citizens who have a pretty good shot of seeing some small increases in prices. It’s just all so asanine.
edit: fucking forgot cause I’m a big dummy. petrol is mostly used for tankers in exporting, so petroleum shortages will lead to more decreases in a country’s gdp
yhea, but it’s like ripping of a bandaid. the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better
It’d be nice, but the US is way too involved in global trade to be brutally fucked with like that. It’s China, then the US. The US is currently bleeding like a stuck hog, but it can bleed a very, very long time.
And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn’t vote for Trump, all the vulnerable… just… fuck 'em?
I don’t really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth. I think that’s going to make things even worse for everyone on earth.
imperialist BS, the US fucking over the globe for your benefit is good for you. the world stopping the US from fucking over the globe, which means it’ll just fuck over it’s people, is bad for you.
I’m not American.
I don’t think turning the US into an isolated pariah state will stop the US from fucking over the globe. Quite the contrary, I think it will just make it even worse. I don’t think there’s any situation in which a nation will “just fuck over it’s people” - we live in a globalized world, that’s a pipe dream.
I think accelerationism is a very privileged take. The first people to die will be the most vulnerable, which obviously must not be you, or you wouldn’t refer to them as “it’s people”.
How many times has the world intervened in US actions? Folly to think so cavalier. Also, backing the US into a more desperate state, than it is now, is frankly horrifying. Geopolitics are totally fucked.
better than enabling it and help it.
They can always overthrow him (and the rest of their ruling class). It’s one genocide too late to worry about Americans; at this point the world has to move on and they can sink or swim. I’m not happy it had to come to this, but given their complete inability to reign in their ruling class I’m not going to complain now that nature is running its course.
Me neither, but it’s better than a murderous neocolonial empire with 1/4 of the world as vassal states. A lot, I daresay most, of the evil the US gets up to on a monthly basis is only made possible by the cooperation of its so-called allies.
…which is why I doubt this will actually happen. Too many US oligarchs would lose money. It’s just more posturing by the Taco.
Surely looking at the global economy through a western capitalist perspective is the answer.
Socialism is the answer.
no, it will just lead to a new power imbalance, eventually. the sickness that haunts the world is humanity. as long as there are people and and positions of authority, we will all continue to get fucked by the few.
Yep, cause that’s exactly what I was saying.
No, its who you are right now.
The upside is the orange demented man will change his mind about it next week.
Those are annual numbers.
TACO, so we’re looking at, what, a week?
Im sure china has something they can use