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alexandra_kollontai [she/her]@hexbear.net to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago

Is straight marriage bourgeois?

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Is straight marriage bourgeois?

alexandra_kollontai [she/her]@hexbear.net to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago
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  • red552 [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    dubois-depressed “Are women bourgeois?”

    • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      by that logic am I a class traitor

      woah

      time to go on a podcast and talk about the evil left on hexbear

      • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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        its our fault you are pro genocide now, we shouldn’t have been so rude wojak-nooo

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          You could be right, but I don’t care because you’re rude about it. death-to-the-poor

  • aaro [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    not only is it bourgeoise, but it is also homophobic, reactionary, haram, counterrevolutionary, ecocidal, and frankly cheugy as hell

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    The transition of marriage from a primarily economic union to one that is based in personal companionship is something that I think is actually a very good aspect of modernity.

    • spectre [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      I’m a high COL area it’s often an economic union in large part.

      • john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Straight marriage is the union of one man, one woman, and one health insurance policy

        • bumblebeehellbringer [fae/faer, they/them]@hexbear.net
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          🤮 because it’s true

  • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    It can be, and it often is, but it’s not because it is ontologically bourgeois or reactionary, rather it’s because hegemonic ideology will grab onto every institution found in human life and ascribe it’s values to it, turning it into a normalizing force that self-enforces itself in order to support the power relations that led to it existing in the first place, as is the case of marriage reinforcing the patriarchy and heteronormativity which led to marriage existing in turn.

    Gramsci lays out in a great way how hegemony coopts institutions and human life gramsci-heh

    • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      Do have any beginner reading you’d recommend of Gramsci? I got the first volume of the Prison Notebooks, but it was a bit out of my league.

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        The prison notebooks are the bulk of his available work. I’d say read one of the “selections from Gramsci’s prison notebooks” books.

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          This is a good starting point! There’s also no shame in reading annotated versions, where more accessible authors elaborate on the ideas present in the text. I can’t recommend any in English because I’ve only read Gramsci in Spanish and Italian, but I’m sure there must be good translations of him in English, maybe even by pete-eat’s dad.

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            Can you recommend some of the Spanish ones?

            • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              Sorry, but I can’t help you there… My philosophy professor just gave us photocopies of a book he knew was good, and I have no way of tracking those down.

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        Read my response to dannoffs’ comment… I haven’t read Gramsci in English, so I can’t recommend any annotated versions, but starting with those maybe selected around a single topic (Gramsci tended to go all over the place in the notebooks a bit) could help.

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    all things and concepts are bourgeois if you can profit from them. case in point, wedding planners. in the people’s republic of earth all weddings shall be planned by a chatgpt run by the government.

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      asking the centrally planned chatgpt to plan my gender reveal explosion

    • alexandra_kollontai [she/her]@hexbear.netOP
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      Centrally planned weddings to go with the centrally planned economy.

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        stalin-approval

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    When two people are under the influence of the most violent, most insane, most delusive, and most transient of passions, they are required to swear that they will remain in that excited, abnormal, and exhausting condition until death do them part. [G.B. Shaw, preface to “Getting Married,” 1908]

    You must imagine Sisyphus married.

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      “i hate my wife lmao” the book

      Death to America

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    well, women are bourgeois, so any wedding containing them is by extension, bourgeois. theory-gary

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      is lesbian marriage double bourgeoise

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        without doubt.

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    It is if it’s a cottagecore wedding.

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    Fellas, is it gay to marry someone of the opposite sex?

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    deleted by creator

    • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      so marriage is feudalist very-smart

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        Yes. Why do you think I got married? I need my wife’s family to back me for the blood feud with my neighbors over his McDuchy (which de jure belongs to me) that’s been ongoing for 3 generations

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      • Saeculum [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Marriage predates the feudal system

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          marriage is temple economics galaxy-brain

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        marriage is older than feudal which makes it patriarchal

        it’s an institution that dates back to when people were legally owned by their dad

        although the concept of it being bad to murder your neighbour also dates back about that far so that isn’t necessarily a criticism

  • RonPaulyShore [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    fellas is it gay to be straight

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    Literally yes. Contrast with feudal arranged marriage. Gay marriage is also bourgeois but to less of an extent. It’s just an adaptation of bourgeois (straight) marriage for gay couples. Marriage in China is also bourgeois. Cuban marriage is less bourgeois but not truly communist. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.

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    This is a bit right

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    • OgdenTO [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      What do you mean? I see the majority of the responses to this clearly joke post to actually be thoughtful responses to the question. It’s great, because the post is a joke, but only half so in my interpretation, and it gets interesting answers.

      What about this is irony poisoning? Thoughtful answers?

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        Right! I really, really love a lot of the comments on this and they bring fantastic and intriguing points to think about.

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          Hmm. I don’t find it so, but also, I think I assume all the responses are sincere, regardless of how jokey they are.

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    I conducted a representative double blind demographic unbaised survey of some catgirls i found hanging out in Hexbear and they said yes.

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