No one is certain that god does not exist. Or if they are, they’re an idiot who doesn’t understand how proof works.
Every atheist I’ve ever met was open to being convinced (myself included). And every religious person I’ve ever met has never had anything convincing to show.
There are plenty of gnostic atheists. I would say noticeably so in atheist exclusive spaces, where they say things like “God doesn’t exist” instead of the more data-driven “There’s no proof god exists”. I could pop over to the atheism community here to find plenty of examples of gnostic atheists, but it’s really not worth the effort.
You’re correct that it’s not a rational position to hold, it’s really more of a belief. People get pretty upset when you point it out, so I tend to stay silent about it. I’ll usually refer to myself as “Agnostic”, because people get confused about what I mean when I say “Agnostic Atheist”. It seems like everyone has their own set of definitions for all of these words anyway. We agree on 90% of the important stuff, no point ruining my day with a fight.
Well it depends on your definition of God. And omnipotent being if they existed would clearly be evil. Are they then still divine?
Does merely being powerful then qualify a being for divinity? Gods in many mythologies do not have to be immortal either.
Thus if we use one of the looser definitions of god, every US president in over a century can be considered a god as could various historical figures, gods therefore definitely exist.
I do believe that for many definitions of god, it can be proven they do not exist. And if you define god as a powerful entity deserving of human fealty one clearly doesn’t exist.
I look at the world and see no gods exist. Can some powerful jerkasses outside our understanding exist? Certainly. But I reject the notion of divinity.
That’s not true at all. If “god” is defined to contain mutually exclusive qualities or assumptions then you can say, positively and with confidence, that such a god does not exist.
If I say “god doesn’t exist,” then what does “god” mean in that sentence if not “your god” or “somebody else’s god?” Is there some sort of “objective” god that I have to accept before I can voice my disbelief in it? It’s all just people’s interpretations.
No one is certain that god does not exist. Or if they are, they’re an idiot who doesn’t understand how proof works.
Every atheist I’ve ever met was open to being convinced (myself included). And every religious person I’ve ever met has never had anything convincing to show.
There are plenty of gnostic atheists. I would say noticeably so in atheist exclusive spaces, where they say things like “God doesn’t exist” instead of the more data-driven “There’s no proof god exists”. I could pop over to the atheism community here to find plenty of examples of gnostic atheists, but it’s really not worth the effort.
You’re correct that it’s not a rational position to hold, it’s really more of a belief. People get pretty upset when you point it out, so I tend to stay silent about it. I’ll usually refer to myself as “Agnostic”, because people get confused about what I mean when I say “Agnostic Atheist”. It seems like everyone has their own set of definitions for all of these words anyway. We agree on 90% of the important stuff, no point ruining my day with a fight.
Well it depends on your definition of God. And omnipotent being if they existed would clearly be evil. Are they then still divine?
Does merely being powerful then qualify a being for divinity? Gods in many mythologies do not have to be immortal either.
Thus if we use one of the looser definitions of god, every US president in over a century can be considered a god as could various historical figures, gods therefore definitely exist.
I do believe that for many definitions of god, it can be proven they do not exist. And if you define god as a powerful entity deserving of human fealty one clearly doesn’t exist.
I look at the world and see no gods exist. Can some powerful jerkasses outside our understanding exist? Certainly. But I reject the notion of divinity.
That’s not true at all. If “god” is defined to contain mutually exclusive qualities or assumptions then you can say, positively and with confidence, that such a god does not exist.
Ok, but that’s not saying God doesn’t exist. That’s saying a single person’s interpretation, if taken literally, is illogical.
Or to rephrase: that’s not “god doesn’t exist” that’s “your god doesn’t exist”.
If I say “god doesn’t exist,” then what does “god” mean in that sentence if not “your god” or “somebody else’s god?” Is there some sort of “objective” god that I have to accept before I can voice my disbelief in it? It’s all just people’s interpretations.