One of the dumbest die for democrats users on lemmy, both can’t understand why people see the usa as an empire AND refuses to see that it was what George Lucas based the empire on in star wars
https://lemmy.ca/post/58009115/20926750
That’s odd, I had you pegged for a Tankie, the likes of which support Trump and worked hard to get him reelected as a way to irreparably harm the USA.
Also, ignoring that that’s literally not true and it’s hitlerite shit to think fascism happened because of communists, imagine crying about “harm to the USA” NOW!
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It really is insufferable.
https://xcancel.com/slavomir_YU/status/1494495040206430209
I wish no harm to american ruling class, my enemy is the american people
It’s a joke, but it’s evergreen.
“This is because you assholes didn’t
for MY imperialist candidate. Are you happy now?”
long live jdpon don lmao
The war in Vietnam started with French troops fighting alongside resistance to a dictatorship, the dictatorship which had launched all out war against south Vietnamese towns and villages in 1968, ultimately they failed and the US refused to withdraw from the war for many more years as a result of the incompetent Nixon administration.
what the fuck am i reading
I honestly think I hate liberals more than conservatives sometimes, at least conservatives just take a simple evil position instead of bending over backwards and breaking every bone in their bodies (not their spines, they never had those to begin with) while unhinging their jaws to twist the most evil shit you’ve ever heard into sounding like the lesser evil
My dad (conservative) would talk about how unfair the health system is (we got royalled screwed by it as a family like 5 unique times, besides the usual amount of shit it piles on a typical family). Then he’d rant about how Bernie was a commie when XY news showed a clip of Bernie talking about the 1% or single payer or whatever. Atleast he wanted (then and now) something to change and clearly understood at some level something was wrong. He wouldn’t support that change without it going through some republican worm, but he knows this shit sucks at least.
Lots of liberals either are or pretend to be on the “good” side of the system (IE: can afford the bills, can travel if they want to skip a line, etc). So they pretend like nothing is wrong, Joe Blow is “just” mad at minorities (while also hating minorities aswell), and that this system is the best thing that ever could be created.
Feels a lot of the time that conservatives are failed communists (because they get funnelled into it), while liberals are wannabe communists (because they funnel themselves away). Conservatives (seemingly, or pretendingly) don’t even know what the reality of political theory entails. (IE: Couldn’t tell you what Liberal meant in 1850 vs 2000.) Liberals know enough politcal theory to be able to say something slightly more intelligent (IE: could answer the above). But also know they can’t even nominally support any policy left of Hitler because then they wouldn’t be "liberal"s anymore.
“French Indochina” was anti-imperialist is not a take I ever thought I would see.How does someone misunderstand history that bad? What the hell do they think the French were doing over there?
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This shit broke my brain comrades
Genuinely the stupidest thing I’ve read in a long, long time
I wouldn’t describe the USA as an empire.
Yet.
according to libs imperialism is when war but also an empire is only when direct annexation
according to libs imperialism is when war
According to libs imperialism is when you’re Chinese and you go outside China.
@FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today @finitebanjo@piefed.world
But back to your claim that the USA is the Empire in the Star Wars movies, what the fuck does that make the Viet Cong? Princess Leia?
The rebel alliance are literally intended to represent communists fighting the USA in Vietnam so yes, the Viet Cong, if you desperately want to use the deorgatory the US and their colonial minions chose to give them. That has always been the influence of Star Wars. Ever since the start.
Don’t like it? Here’s Lucas saying it in his own words unequivocally, and pushing back against the attempt to make it about any other empire(English lmao). It’s the US empire. Always has been.
I genuinely do not know how you are this fucking oblivious and have such terrible media literacy. How are you this oblivious to what your country is? You and the people like you are some of the most propagandised people on the planet.
You’re banned on hexbear with both these accounts so I’m not even sure if these pings will go through but it sure makes me feel better.
Oh look, it’s the lib thing where they demand every analogy be a perfect 1:1 representation of a real world thing, and try to tear it apart because obviously no analogy has ever worked like that.
They’re just so redscare-pilled that it genuinely stuns them when they discover the heroes in all of their shows about literal rebellion against empire are all based on communists.
They never stop to think about who the rebellious against empire are in the modern world. They never stop to realise they are the supporters of empire either.
The entire view of the world they have doesn’t match up to it so they fall into large amounts of cognitive dissonance. The ones with real intellectual curiosity actually investigate and learn when they experience this emotion whereas the ones without it lash out in anger and defensiveness.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Oh FFS the point of imperialism is the subjugation of nations outside of the core for economic gain, direct annexation of land was just the method. This “urrrrr its not imperialism if the economic subjugation doesn’t come with a land grab” is like saying it’s not fascism if there’s not enough germanic-looking eagle symbols on the jack boots’ uniforms.
Dude even started trying to explain how the existence of Puerto Rico doesn’t prove that the US is an empire because Puerto Ricans are US citizens. Yeah, citizens who can’t vote in federal elections, have no voting representation in congress, and are subject to the US’ veto powers on their own budgetary decisions because of a financial oversight regime.
Isn’t it the same for Guam?
No financial oversight board AFAIK but yes.
It’s literally just the “I’m not touching you” bullshit that every 7 year old bully grows out of once another kid actually hits them for doing that shit
its only imperialism if it comes from the fascist region of western europe, otherwise its just sparkling foreign policy.
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Yea anyone calling the Monroe Doctrine anti-imperialist is levels of denialism I rarely see.
Umm, the AmeriKKKans said they were protecting the Americas from Europe, so it’s anti-imperialist. Don’t ask why they wanted the Europeans out!
Lenin: All the social-chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don’t laugh!)
This user, without irony: All the imperialists are not “anti-Imperialists” (don’t laugh because I’m not joking!)
I do love it when people just refuse to read things in the context they are written and then the actions that are subsequently taken.
He keeps moving instances though
Thia is… advanced levels of shit takes…
And it’s not even their worst today 😭
Okay I don’t think this can be topped, they’re going full mask off in desire to kill
Full fash.
It’s okay in their eyes though since the opposition are dirty tankies (note in this case just anyone the dems are opposed to at any given moment)
bingo
And they keep digging down today
https://lemmy.world/comment/21382769
Yeah, Iranian leaders and soldiers are human bags of shit and it is Congress’ sole responsibility to use as much force as they deem necessary for a better future.
https://lemmy.world/post/41153992/21367340
A lot of people are comparing this to the Iraq War, but the thing is the USA had to drum up evidence to provide to US Congress and to the UN and NATO before it ever tried entering Iraq. Bush, Cheney, and the CIA came up with pictures of Aluminium Tubes and claimed they were for developing Nuclear Weapons (supposedly they were actually for Hydro-electric).
What Trump has done is far from anything that a US President has ever done. Do not normalize this.
But back to your claim that the USA is the Empire in the Star Wars movies, what the fuck does that make the Viet Cong? Princess Leia?
Mother fucker who do you think the “rebel alliance” is in this context?
Oh yeah, well if the Vietnamese are the good guys, who do you think the Vietnamese are? The good guys?
Manifest Destiny…
That was over by 1850. Nobody from that time is alive today.
lol Manifest Destiny never ended, American Indians are still denied sovereignty and confined to impoverished reservations
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Day/night cycle theory of imperialism that holds the British were the first and only empire, as they held enough far-flung territories that it was always daytime for them somewhere, so they remained in the “empire” state long enough to capture the title like it’s a big game of king of the hill.
Fire bomb all Amerikkkans
I was already drinking when I saw this but some of these comments made me switch from wine to vodka for a bit, I’m still too sober for this amount of psychic damage
Edit: actually switched from wine to vodka not whisky, sorry I don’t drink hard liquor often and was looking for whisky when I found the vodka which is why I got mixed up
Someone go find the interview where George Lucas literally just says its about that.
He saw apocalypse now(iirc) and wanted to make a Vietnam movie sympathetic to the Viet Kong but didn’t want to never ever work again in America.
Also I like George in a funny way, but his take on a Vietnam movie would probably suck tbh
I was wondering why the comments were so incredibly stupid. Things like “The Vietnam war started with the French fighting alongside resistance to a dictatorship attacking the South…” Then I realised I was looking at comments from .worlders
Then I realised I was looking at comments from .worlders
Well in this case wolder who moved to feddit. Actually no that’s perfect for them
