My good person I’ve been tracking this whole REAL ID mess since before it was passed back in 2005. Please read my entire comment before replying and let me clarify a few things for you:
I’ll start by saying that a “REAL ID” isn’t a separate ID card. It’s a regular ID, typically a Drivers License or State ID, that was created in compliance with the REAL ID Act. If you want to know what the criteria are you can read them here. (PDF Warning)
It’s a cash grab because it would be much cheaper & easier to standardize state ID requirements and use the existing infrastructure…
Yes and this is one of the things that the REAL ID Act of 2005 did! It created a standardized set of ID requirements that leveraged the individual States existing infrastructure for creation. You are apparently unknowingly arguing for people to follow the regular process and get a REAL ID! The process described in this article is for individuals who either choose to or cannot go through the regular process. I have more information on this farther down.
…rather than issue an entirely new ID through an entirely new database controlled by the feds.
That is a exceptionally strained way to describe what is happening. If an individual doesn’t have a REAL compliant ID or a Passport then they can to go the TSA website and pay a $45 fee for a one time background check. If / when that background check is completed they are given a token that they can present to the TSA Agent at the gate and that token is only valid for 10 days. This is not another form of ID, it’s proof of a recent background check.
The states certainly view this as a revenue source…
Please explain how a state gets any additional revenue from this process. All of the money for this temporary background check is going to the Federal Government.
…and the feds view it as an “information” source.
While you aren’t wrong this is going to impact less than 5% of travelers so there’s not much information to be gathered and the feds already have most of it anyway.
It should be noted that, to my knowledge, all the “non-compliant” states (where you can’t use state ID in place of Real ID) are States that are controlled by Democrats…
So there is no state where what you are saying is true and there hasn’t been for at least 5 years. Every State has the ability to issue identification that is compliant with the REAL ID standard it’s just that some States choose to continue issuing IDs that don’t. Even California which was recently in the news about this started issuing REAL IDs back in 2018, it’s just that many people either did not or could not get them.
Even today some States, such as California, will issue both compliant and non-compliant ID cards and which of them a person gets depends entirely on what they want or can qualify for. If an individual qualifies for a REAL compliant ID and wants it then they can get one. If they can’t qualify for or don’t want a REAL compliant ID then they can get a Standard ID.
…so there’s an additional layer of shenanigans that appears partisan.
That’s what you’ve been told but it isn’t true. You may be surprised to learn that some of the very last States to start issuing REAL compliant ID’s were Red States! Oklahoma for example didn’t start issuing them until two years after California! Not only that but many of the Red States that fought REAL ID, Oklahoma, Arizona, South Carolina and Idaho to name a few, also still issue “Standard” IDs just like California and other Blue States!
The truth is that the REAL ID Act was passed 20 years ago and enforcement dates were known about literally years in advance. This fight isn’t new nor is it Red vs Blue. I never liked the REAL ID Act but I like the recent hyper-partisan misinformation hysteria surrounding it even less.
This latest thing from the TSA is just a way for people who don’t have or can’t get a REAL compliant ID or US Passport to fly domestically. It’s not an information gathering conspiracy nor is it a revenue generator, it’s just another sad and stupid act in the Security Theater that is the TSA.
You haven’t really engaged with anything I said. You’re just repeating more inform from the article and what is generally known.
It is a fact that, rather than simply bringing existing ID into “compliance” (some are, and some aren’t - and for a reason you haven’t sufficiently explained these non compliant states appear to be Democratic) there is an entire new system being superimposed that, which you like it or not, was sold to the states as a revenue source. Additionally, the feds are collecting massive amounts of data that was formerly considered private.
My good person I’ve been tracking this whole REAL ID mess since before it was passed back in 2005. Please read my entire comment before replying and let me clarify a few things for you:
I’ll start by saying that a “REAL ID” isn’t a separate ID card. It’s a regular ID, typically a Drivers License or State ID, that was created in compliance with the REAL ID Act. If you want to know what the criteria are you can read them here. (PDF Warning)
Yes and this is one of the things that the REAL ID Act of 2005 did! It created a standardized set of ID requirements that leveraged the individual States existing infrastructure for creation. You are apparently unknowingly arguing for people to follow the regular process and get a REAL ID! The process described in this article is for individuals who either choose to or cannot go through the regular process. I have more information on this farther down.
That is a exceptionally strained way to describe what is happening. If an individual doesn’t have a REAL compliant ID or a Passport then they can to go the TSA website and pay a $45 fee for a one time background check. If / when that background check is completed they are given a token that they can present to the TSA Agent at the gate and that token is only valid for 10 days. This is not another form of ID, it’s proof of a recent background check.
Please explain how a state gets any additional revenue from this process. All of the money for this temporary background check is going to the Federal Government.
While you aren’t wrong this is going to impact less than 5% of travelers so there’s not much information to be gathered and the feds already have most of it anyway.
Here is the “farther down” I referenced earlier. Let’s start with the fact that all 50 States were issuing compliant REAL IDs by September of 2020.
So there is no state where what you are saying is true and there hasn’t been for at least 5 years. Every State has the ability to issue identification that is compliant with the REAL ID standard it’s just that some States choose to continue issuing IDs that don’t. Even California which was recently in the news about this started issuing REAL IDs back in 2018, it’s just that many people either did not or could not get them.
Even today some States, such as California, will issue both compliant and non-compliant ID cards and which of them a person gets depends entirely on what they want or can qualify for. If an individual qualifies for a REAL compliant ID and wants it then they can get one. If they can’t qualify for or don’t want a REAL compliant ID then they can get a Standard ID.
That’s what you’ve been told but it isn’t true. You may be surprised to learn that some of the very last States to start issuing REAL compliant ID’s were Red States! Oklahoma for example didn’t start issuing them until two years after California! Not only that but many of the Red States that fought REAL ID, Oklahoma, Arizona, South Carolina and Idaho to name a few, also still issue “Standard” IDs just like California and other Blue States!
The truth is that the REAL ID Act was passed 20 years ago and enforcement dates were known about literally years in advance. This fight isn’t new nor is it Red vs Blue. I never liked the REAL ID Act but I like the recent hyper-partisan misinformation hysteria surrounding it even less.
This latest thing from the TSA is just a way for people who don’t have or can’t get a REAL compliant ID or US Passport to fly domestically. It’s not an information gathering conspiracy nor is it a revenue generator, it’s just another sad and stupid act in the Security Theater that is the TSA.
You haven’t really engaged with anything I said. You’re just repeating more inform from the article and what is generally known.
It is a fact that, rather than simply bringing existing ID into “compliance” (some are, and some aren’t - and for a reason you haven’t sufficiently explained these non compliant states appear to be Democratic) there is an entire new system being superimposed that, which you like it or not, was sold to the states as a revenue source. Additionally, the feds are collecting massive amounts of data that was formerly considered private.