It’s telling that they have to go all the way back to Vietnam or Korea to try (and fail) to find things equivalent to what the West is going currently.
Ok explain the South China sea bull shit and stealing international waters and being the aggressor to the Philippines an neighbors? Genocide of the Uyghurs? You just jumped right over that part and used only a select part of the statement to make a weak ass strawman argument.
Congratulations on listing things that, between them, have killed actual 0 people. No wonder you were having to go back more than half a century to try and find things that remotely compare with the carnage currently being carried out by the west, and you still couldn’t do it.
I literally listed Israel and Russia, the two biggest aggressors right now. Not the west, you keep jumping over that. And the matter of the Uyghers, I will never ever believe your 0 death certificate your pooh bear states. The state of affairs there is atrocious and genocide of people. As of right now the “East” is far worse than the “West”. I never claimed the west was good, but you cant in good faith claim the East is, without bullshit. I started half a century ago because that is recent in terms of modern history. South China sea situation is violent, luckily little harmed, but the aggression is solely on China. And I will call out the bullshit the west does with little care, you will defend you authoritarian regimes to no end, like a good little boy.
I want to preface this by making it clear that I am not saying that China did absolutely nothing in Xinjiang and nothing happened at all. That is not my position. China ran a surveillance/police state in Xinjiang for a time in response to Uyghur seperatism and a few terrorist attacks on civilians. People were arrested and civilians were investigated sometimes through invasive measures. This is not however, a genocide, and the evidence supporting that claim is very limited at best. I encourage you to read through this comment and check the links. I am not expecting you to completely change your mind based on this comment but I am hoping you will question why Uyghurs are the only Muslims western powers seem to care about and humanize.
However, this claim is completely absurd when you stop and think about it even for a minute. That figure 1 million is repeated again and again. Let’s just look at how much space would you actually need to intern one million people.
This is a photo of Rikers Island, New York City’s biggest prison. The actual size of a facility interning ten thousand people.
According to Wikipedia, “The average daily inmate population on the island is about 10,000, although it can hold a maximum of 15,000.” Let’s assume this is a Xinjiang detention camp, holding ten to fifteen thousand people. How many of these would it take to hold one million people?
Let’s do some math:
Rikers Size
Rikers Prisoners
One Million Uyghurs Size
413.2 acres (0.645 square miles)
10,000 to 15,000
43 to 64 square miles
In reality, one million people would probably take more space; all the supposed detention camps we see are much less dense than Rikers.
For comparison, San Francisco is 47 square miles. Amsterdam is 64 square miles. You’d literally need detention camps that total the size of San Francisco or Amsterdam to intern one million Uyghurs. It’d be like looking at a map of California. There’s Los Angeles. There’s San Diego. And look, there’s San Francisco Concentration City with its one million Uyghurs.
Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he’s the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I’m talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.
Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.
The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it’s clear that the methodology of his “research” doesn’t pass any kind of muster when examined closely.
It’s also worth noting that there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:
It’s also worth noting that the accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.
Well done comrade you passed the test. Fighting strawman arguments is key to winning, you have mastered the ancient arts! You will be promoted! You can have all the Uyghur slaves you want? Have a nice cabin in Tibet? Hell let’s rename Tiananmen square after you. We at the CCP are so proud of you! You are the best, those dumb westoners can’t compete with your brilliance!
It’s telling that they have to go all the way back to Vietnam or Korea to try (and fail) to find things equivalent to what the West is going currently.
Ok explain the South China sea bull shit and stealing international waters and being the aggressor to the Philippines an neighbors? Genocide of the Uyghurs? You just jumped right over that part and used only a select part of the statement to make a weak ass strawman argument.
Congratulations on listing things that, between them, have killed actual 0 people. No wonder you were having to go back more than half a century to try and find things that remotely compare with the carnage currently being carried out by the west, and you still couldn’t do it.
I literally listed Israel and Russia, the two biggest aggressors right now. Not the west, you keep jumping over that. And the matter of the Uyghers, I will never ever believe your 0 death certificate your pooh bear states. The state of affairs there is atrocious and genocide of people. As of right now the “East” is far worse than the “West”. I never claimed the west was good, but you cant in good faith claim the East is, without bullshit. I started half a century ago because that is recent in terms of modern history. South China sea situation is violent, luckily little harmed, but the aggression is solely on China. And I will call out the bullshit the west does with little care, you will defend you authoritarian regimes to no end, like a good little boy.
I want to preface this by making it clear that I am not saying that China did absolutely nothing in Xinjiang and nothing happened at all. That is not my position. China ran a surveillance/police state in Xinjiang for a time in response to Uyghur seperatism and a few terrorist attacks on civilians. People were arrested and civilians were investigated sometimes through invasive measures. This is not however, a genocide, and the evidence supporting that claim is very limited at best. I encourage you to read through this comment and check the links. I am not expecting you to completely change your mind based on this comment but I am hoping you will question why Uyghurs are the only Muslims western powers seem to care about and humanize.
The whole conspiracy theory started with a claim of millions of Uyghurs being supposedly imprisoned story is based on two highly dubious “studies.”.
However, this claim is completely absurd when you stop and think about it even for a minute. That figure 1 million is repeated again and again. Let’s just look at how much space would you actually need to intern one million people.
This is a photo of Rikers Island, New York City’s biggest prison. The actual size of a facility interning ten thousand people.
According to Wikipedia, “The average daily inmate population on the island is about 10,000, although it can hold a maximum of 15,000.” Let’s assume this is a Xinjiang detention camp, holding ten to fifteen thousand people. How many of these would it take to hold one million people?
Let’s do some math:
In reality, one million people would probably take more space; all the supposed detention camps we see are much less dense than Rikers.
For comparison, San Francisco is 47 square miles. Amsterdam is 64 square miles. You’d literally need detention camps that total the size of San Francisco or Amsterdam to intern one million Uyghurs. It’d be like looking at a map of California. There’s Los Angeles. There’s San Diego. And look, there’s San Francisco Concentration City with its one million Uyghurs.
Literally visible to the naked eye from space.
CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, but their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals. Based on this absurdly small sample of research subjects in an area whose total population is 20 million, CHRD “extrapolated estimates” that “at least 10% of villagers […] are being detained in re-education detention camps, and 20% are being forced to attend day/evening re-education camps in the villages or townships, totaling 30% in both types of camps.” Furthermore, it doesn’t even make sense from logistics perspective.
Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he’s the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I’m talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.
Zenz is a born-again Christian who lectures at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible to be the ultimate foundation and the final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.”
Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.”.
Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.
Zenz outlined these views in a book he co-authored in 2012, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation. In the tome, Zenz discussed the return of Jesus Christ, the coming wrath of God, and the rise of the Antichrist.
The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it’s clear that the methodology of his “research” doesn’t pass any kind of muster when examined closely.
It’s also worth noting that there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:
US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they’ve been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west. In fact, US even classified Uyghur separatists as a terrorist group at one point https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-was-at-war-uyghur-terrorists-now-claims-etim-doesnt-exist/276916/
Here’s an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/Son-of-imam-assassinated-in-Kashgar-s-2014-mosque-attack-speaks-out-RqNiyrcRuo/index.html
Here’s an account from a Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on “atrocities” are lies. https://dailytimes.com.pk/723317/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-about-xinjiang/
It’s also worth noting that the accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.
Also notable that whenever western media actually deigns to visit Xinjiang, which is not often, they’re unable to produce support for any of their claims of mass imprisonment and oppression, so they opt for insinuations instead https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9
There’s a further list of debunking here if you’re interested https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
The whole thing is very clearly a propaganda blitz that US is cynically using to manipulate impressionable people in the west.
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Well done comrade you passed the test. Fighting strawman arguments is key to winning, you have mastered the ancient arts! You will be promoted! You can have all the Uyghur slaves you want? Have a nice cabin in Tibet? Hell let’s rename Tiananmen square after you. We at the CCP are so proud of you! You are the best, those dumb westoners can’t compete with your brilliance!