Not that it’s unreasonable, but that the scale of what AI can surveil is so vast that there’s no more personal security-via-obscurity.
It used to be that unless someone had a reason to start looking at you, anything you did online or off was effectively impossible to search. You might be caught on some store’s CCTV, Or your cell provider might have location pings, but that wasn’t online for anyone and needed a warrant to have the police use it to track your activities. Now cities are using Flock and similar tools to enable tracking vehicles across the country without any reason, and stores are using cloud-service AI cameras to attempt to track your mood as you move through the store. These tools can and have been abused.
Now, due to the harvesting of this data for AI, anything that’s ever been recorded (video footage, social media posts, etc) and used as training data can be correlated much more easily, long after it occurred, and without needing to be law enforcement with a warrant.
No, that’s not what I said. Widespread data collection and searching used to be something only state actors could accomplish and there were at least theoretically guard rails. Now the barrier of entry has been seriously reduced, the data is owned by a corporation, and being fed to AI. That has a chilling effect as well as being ripe for abuse.
Widespread data collection and searching used to be something only state actors could accomplish and there were at least theoretically guard rails
So you just make shit up as you go? You are projecting how you think things should work into reality as if it were fact. But now you are learning how it actually works and what really scares you is the shattering of the illusion you sold yourself. I mean it should be pretty apparent Google and Facebook are tools of the US government they always have been.
“Anyone could already do this, so why bother being worried that it’s easier now” they said.
I still don’t get your angle. Why are you defending this, or at the very least downplaying it’s impacts? You seem to also be aggravated by this data collection and spying, so why are you so mad that other people are catching on?
“Oh, I’m so smart” they said. Enjoy your useless internet points?
The situation is actually different now, in the last few years. This is less relevant to the OP, but we/they are building automated snitches that will tattle on you, and more importantly be wrong with a statistical significance. See Flock mistaking license plates and calling the police on innocent people. Sure, we might catch a few violent criminals, but when your government decides that your online activity complaining about them is now criminal, your data can be correlated in real time in a way that wasn’t possible in our parent’s time.
Your dismissal of this seems insane. Stop arguing with me about how long it’s been possible and help me/us fight against it.
I’ll admit that I should have been more clear that I was paraphrasing and interpreting instead of actually quoting you. The previous message was right above mine, though, so I though it was pretty clear.
Just as you have written me off, I’ve done the same for you. I’m just responding for anyone else who reads this far down and finds this thread, and only because I’m in a waiting room and this is more interesting than HGTV.
I said, and I quote:
I still don’t get your angle. Why are you defending this…
I assume the lack of a defense is clear enough proof that you don’t have one.
Palantir scouring the internet, cloud cameras like Flock, Facebook and Google retaining your data forever to maximize profit. None of that is defensible. We should be sounding alarms like OP did and making sure people are aware. Putting others down for ‘not having caught on yet’ (interpreted, you can still correct me if I’m misunderstanding) is counterproductive. We can still resist or reverse the power these huge companies have… but there might be a point where it becomes too late.
Would you prefer to be someone who helped fight, or someone who complained it was futile until it was?
Call your Senators and Representatives. Demand privacy. Elect and support people who are against these kinds of overreach if the current ones won’t.
Love you!
edit: dammit, the quote formatting ate a line break. fixed.
Honestly dude the data we actively are putting into the world like forum posts are probably literally the shit you need to be the least scared about. Have you seen the hyperspectral mixed reality stuff that military and police are getting? Cops will have glasses that can see through walls to your forum posts!
I’m going to say that this is actually spooky.
Not that it’s unreasonable, but that the scale of what AI can surveil is so vast that there’s no more personal security-via-obscurity.
It used to be that unless someone had a reason to start looking at you, anything you did online or off was effectively impossible to search. You might be caught on some store’s CCTV, Or your cell provider might have location pings, but that wasn’t online for anyone and needed a warrant to have the police use it to track your activities. Now cities are using Flock and similar tools to enable tracking vehicles across the country without any reason, and stores are using cloud-service AI cameras to attempt to track your mood as you move through the store. These tools can and have been abused.
Now, due to the harvesting of this data for AI, anything that’s ever been recorded (video footage, social media posts, etc) and used as training data can be correlated much more easily, long after it occurred, and without needing to be law enforcement with a warrant.
I’d call that spooky.
So you think private and opensource intelligence spontaneously came into existence in the last 5 years because of AI?
No, that’s not what I said. Widespread data collection and searching used to be something only state actors could accomplish and there were at least theoretically guard rails. Now the barrier of entry has been seriously reduced, the data is owned by a corporation, and being fed to AI. That has a chilling effect as well as being ripe for abuse.
I don’t see an upside.
So you just make shit up as you go? You are projecting how you think things should work into reality as if it were fact. But now you are learning how it actually works and what really scares you is the shattering of the illusion you sold yourself. I mean it should be pretty apparent Google and Facebook are tools of the US government they always have been.
“Anyone could already do this, so why bother being worried that it’s easier now” they said.
I still don’t get your angle. Why are you defending this, or at the very least downplaying it’s impacts? You seem to also be aggravated by this data collection and spying, so why are you so mad that other people are catching on?
“Oh, I’m so smart” they said. Enjoy your useless internet points?
The situation is actually different now, in the last few years. This is less relevant to the OP, but we/they are building automated snitches that will tattle on you, and more importantly be wrong with a statistical significance. See Flock mistaking license plates and calling the police on innocent people. Sure, we might catch a few violent criminals, but when your government decides that your online activity complaining about them is now criminal, your data can be correlated in real time in a way that wasn’t possible in our parent’s time.
Your dismissal of this seems insane. Stop arguing with me about how long it’s been possible and help me/us fight against it.
The first thing you do is make shit up so I am not going to bother engaging with whatever else you got to say.
I’ll admit that I should have been more clear that I was paraphrasing and interpreting instead of actually quoting you. The previous message was right above mine, though, so I though it was pretty clear.
Just as you have written me off, I’ve done the same for you. I’m just responding for anyone else who reads this far down and finds this thread, and only because I’m in a waiting room and this is more interesting than HGTV.
I said, and I quote:
I assume the lack of a defense is clear enough proof that you don’t have one.
Palantir scouring the internet, cloud cameras like Flock, Facebook and Google retaining your data forever to maximize profit. None of that is defensible. We should be sounding alarms like OP did and making sure people are aware. Putting others down for ‘not having caught on yet’ (interpreted, you can still correct me if I’m misunderstanding) is counterproductive. We can still resist or reverse the power these huge companies have… but there might be a point where it becomes too late.
Would you prefer to be someone who helped fight, or someone who complained it was futile until it was?
Call your Senators and Representatives. Demand privacy. Elect and support people who are against these kinds of overreach if the current ones won’t.
Love you!
edit: dammit, the quote formatting ate a line break. fixed.
Honestly dude the data we actively are putting into the world like forum posts are probably literally the shit you need to be the least scared about. Have you seen the hyperspectral mixed reality stuff that military and police are getting? Cops will have glasses that can see through walls to your forum posts!
lolol what a healthy thing to say. I am not defending anyone I am criticizing your kneejerk reactions.