Well I gave to completely disagree and I think that’s through a misunderstanding of what my actual point is trying to be.
That is: the choice of image is at odds with the text. Yes I made an exaggerated projection to aide my point that I see this as being sexist ( e.g. would such an image be used if it were a man?). But that doesn’t mean that I am trying to be sanctimonious or looking for an argument.
I simply saw something I didnt’t like the look of and spoke up about it.
My use of ‘for once’ was meant to refer to my belief that women can be all too often sexualised - tying in with my belief that sexism played a part in the choice of the image.
I don’t care for praise here, I only saught to raise an issue that I perceived. I feel no ‘white knighting’ about this, and if you were to meet me irl you’d soon enough learn that feeding my ego is one of the very rare things that I do, but I get your point that it can be easy to fall into such states of kind. I’m not perfect but I don’t think I’m being an ass here. Clumsy maybe, don’t express things like most people maybe leading to misunderstanding maybe. But not any of the rest.
Should I just be quiet about sexism then? Yes, this isn’t a major part of the wider issue of sexism, but sometimes it is important to discuss the smaller, more subtle parts too.
You’re talking as if you know for a fact it was due to sexism that that clip was shown - something you simply cannot “know.” Virtually EVERYTHING is open for interpretation, and - as you seem to be the only one here leaping to anything even vaguely close to that conclusion - I’m going to interpret your interpretation as overly judgemental because you were looking for an excuse to be outraged.
ETA: Note that I’m saying this as someone who is also significantly more sensitive and aware of biases and bigotries (such as what you’re claiming) than the average. I first became aware of Ariana on the show “Sam & Cat,” and I didn’t think much of her at first - although after enough eps she kinda grew on me (I liked Jen McCurdy enough to continue watching it, although it was my spouse who was more into it). When she later turned her public image into an overly sexualized “tramp” it immediately turned me off & I paid minimal attention to her from there on out. As such, know that I understand where you claim to be coming from, and still think your complaint reeks to high hell. /EDIT
The only person you’re fooling with your nonsensical long-winded “justification” is yourself. Until you learn otherwise, further discussion is obviously pointless.
TL;DR: You’re full of shit and/or yourself, wether you have the self-awareness to realize it or not. Goodbye.
Okayyy, I have absolutely no idea how you come to that conclusion. I have only shared thoughts, beliefs or opinions, which I have tried to clarify, not justify. I have not made any outright claims.
Not one person has asked me single question either about myself or what exactly I mean. I have been presented with cherry picking of words I’ve used, assumptions about myself, filling in of blanks etc to level wild accusations at me despite none knowing me in the slightest.
If you think I’m wrong with my belief that what I saw was sexist - that’s fine.
If you think I have been overzealous in how I’ve spoken - fine also (But that’s a reflection of my frustration, not attention seeking activity that I’ve been accused of).
But the rest…absolute fantasy land stuff!
Not one person has tried to discuss the interpretations you refer to (or anything else) so I haven’t really had anything to work with.
I’ve already stated I’m not outraged. Fed up, frustrated, sure. But anything else is putting words in my mouth, and there’s been plenty of that.
Oh the hypocrisy of accusing me of being full of shit! Anyway, happy to say goodbye too.
Oh the hypocrisy of accusing me of being full of shit!
Outside of you, I’ve seen nobody disagree with anything I’ve said. Things you’ve said? Yeah…
If you wanna make yourself feel better by claiming that (without any backing justification for such a claim), well I can’t say that’s at all surprising - rather in character, actually.
Well I gave to completely disagree and I think that’s through a misunderstanding of what my actual point is trying to be.
That is: the choice of image is at odds with the text. Yes I made an exaggerated projection to aide my point that I see this as being sexist ( e.g. would such an image be used if it were a man?). But that doesn’t mean that I am trying to be sanctimonious or looking for an argument.
I simply saw something I didnt’t like the look of and spoke up about it.
My use of ‘for once’ was meant to refer to my belief that women can be all too often sexualised - tying in with my belief that sexism played a part in the choice of the image.
I don’t care for praise here, I only saught to raise an issue that I perceived. I feel no ‘white knighting’ about this, and if you were to meet me irl you’d soon enough learn that feeding my ego is one of the very rare things that I do, but I get your point that it can be easy to fall into such states of kind. I’m not perfect but I don’t think I’m being an ass here. Clumsy maybe, don’t express things like most people maybe leading to misunderstanding maybe. But not any of the rest.
Should I just be quiet about sexism then? Yes, this isn’t a major part of the wider issue of sexism, but sometimes it is important to discuss the smaller, more subtle parts too.
You’re talking as if you know for a fact it was due to sexism that that clip was shown - something you simply cannot “know.” Virtually EVERYTHING is open for interpretation, and - as you seem to be the only one here leaping to anything even vaguely close to that conclusion - I’m going to interpret your interpretation as overly judgemental because you were looking for an excuse to be outraged.
ETA: Note that I’m saying this as someone who is also significantly more sensitive and aware of biases and bigotries (such as what you’re claiming) than the average. I first became aware of Ariana on the show “Sam & Cat,” and I didn’t think much of her at first - although after enough eps she kinda grew on me (I liked Jen McCurdy enough to continue watching it, although it was my spouse who was more into it). When she later turned her public image into an overly sexualized “tramp” it immediately turned me off & I paid minimal attention to her from there on out. As such, know that I understand where you claim to be coming from, and still think your complaint reeks to high hell. /EDIT
The only person you’re fooling with your nonsensical long-winded “justification” is yourself. Until you learn otherwise, further discussion is obviously pointless.
TL;DR: You’re full of shit and/or yourself, wether you have the self-awareness to realize it or not. Goodbye.
Okayyy, I have absolutely no idea how you come to that conclusion. I have only shared thoughts, beliefs or opinions, which I have tried to clarify, not justify. I have not made any outright claims.
Not one person has asked me single question either about myself or what exactly I mean. I have been presented with cherry picking of words I’ve used, assumptions about myself, filling in of blanks etc to level wild accusations at me despite none knowing me in the slightest.
If you think I’m wrong with my belief that what I saw was sexist - that’s fine.
If you think I have been overzealous in how I’ve spoken - fine also (But that’s a reflection of my frustration, not attention seeking activity that I’ve been accused of).
But the rest…absolute fantasy land stuff!
Not one person has tried to discuss the interpretations you refer to (or anything else) so I haven’t really had anything to work with.
I’ve already stated I’m not outraged. Fed up, frustrated, sure. But anything else is putting words in my mouth, and there’s been plenty of that.
Oh the hypocrisy of accusing me of being full of shit! Anyway, happy to say goodbye too.
Outside of you, I’ve seen nobody disagree with anything I’ve said. Things you’ve said? Yeah…
If you wanna make yourself feel better by claiming that (without any backing justification for such a claim), well I can’t say that’s at all surprising - rather in character, actually.