In this exclusive interview, Joti Brar tackles some of the most pressing debates facing the global Left today.______________________________________________S...
I don’t honestly recall that line, is that from when Jyotishman plays devil’s advocate?
Anyways I think Joti does a good job of analyzing the geopolitical situation in Europe in terms of Leninism, in particular with reference to Stalin’s Foundations of Leninism, and the question of whether or not national liberation is progressive even if not explicitly socialist. The fight against western imperialism is truly the principal contradiction of our time.
I don’t honestly recall that line, is that from when Jyotishman plays devil’s advocate?
I should’ve made it more clear. This is not a line from the discussion it’s my parody of the title
Edit: but after watching some of this video I guess I don’t really understand the whole of this war and where it really came from. I’ll have to learn more I guess
I’m not exaggerating when I say this is the first social media platform I’ve been on where most people are open to changing their minds in the course of a discussion. It makes my head spin.
Might’ve been wrong to question myself there lol. Her argument revolves around “Well Russia was provoked so they’re actually fighting an anti imperialist war” and the predisposition you’ve to have in order to agree with her argument is that you believe most or at least a big part of the official Russian narrative.
Even if Russia really was provoked and is fighting for it’s own sovereignty (by invading another country? but ok) then it’s still a capitalist nation that’s preying upon the nostalgia of its Soviet past and it’s absolutely not becoming even slightly more communist by the day. Why should I care whether it’s the thirteen colonies or the British empire that wins the American civil war?
Stop clicking the down arrow button and answer my question
Her argument revolves around “Well Russia was provoked so they’re actually fighting an anti imperialist war” and the predisposition you’ve to have in order to agree with her argument is that you believe most or at least a big part of the official Russian narrative.
First of all, it is wrong to entirely dismiss the Russian side in the Ukrainian conflict. Russians have as much of a right to explain their side as the bloodthirsty West. Also, it is important to remind you that the West is not a truthful/reliable source as you think it is.
Continuing with that thought, the information mentioned by the Russians was also echoed plenty of times by Western media. This was collected by comrades in this thread post below and it is specially tailored for people that yet operate in the western framework(just like you are doing as of now):
Even if Russia really was provoked and is fighting for it’s own sovereignty (by invading another country? but ok) then it’s still a capitalist nation that’s preying upon the nostalgia of its Soviet past and it’s absolutely not becoming even slightly more communist by the day.
You keep looking down on our russian comrades with this other statement. What if I told you that Russia has way more probability to become socialist again than the whole European countries(that are actively rushing into fascism)?
It is better to take a step back on your contempt and investigate what russian comrades have achieved so far.
West is not a truthful/reliable source as you think it is.
You’re putting words in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the Russian narrative doesn’t mean I trust the western narrative.
You keep looking down on our russian comrades with this other statement. What if I told you that Russia has way more probability to become socialist again than the whole European countries(that are actively rushing into fascism)?
It is better to take a step back on your contempt and investigate what russian comrades have achieved so far.
So your whole argument is that I’m supposed to support Russia because it has the possibility of turning socialist? How does that dismiss ANY of the arguments against this war denouncing it as imperialist?
Okay another argument is Ukrainian warcrimes (especially those against Donbass and part of the population that likes Russia). You obviously haven’t heard “two wrongs don’t make a right”
The Russian bourgeoisie has taken a contradictory stance with regard to the LDPR: on the one hand, it provided military and economic aid to the Donbass republics, but on the other hand, it did not politically recognize them and did not incorporate them into the Russian Federation like Crimea, but went to recognize the legitimacy of the pro-fascist Turchinov-Poroshenko-Zelensky puppet regime and signed the Minsk agreements with this regime. This did not bring peace to the LDPR and made the war a latent state on the line of contact for eight years, allowing thus the Ukrainian government to create a strong and Nazi-motivated army that became a threat not only to the LDPR but also to Russia itself.
You’re putting words in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the Russian narrative doesn’t mean I trust the western narrative.
Oh, so you are the worst case scenario! You haven’t actually investigated anything about this conflict and just based your entire opinion on one Ukrainian “marxist” organization(out of many that there are available). If your aim is to only base your opinion in Ukrainian orgs, then I assume that you also read what the CP of Ukraine has said so far, right?
Establishment of the neo-Nazi regime in country, violation of generally accepted citizens’ rights and freedoms in particular linguistic were the main reasons of dangerous aggravation of the situation in country and finally led to actual loss of Crimea and fratricidal civil war, unleashed by the Kiev regime against citizens of Ukraine, living in Donetsk and Lugansk areas, to sharp deterioration of the relations with Russian Federation.
Ten thousand military personnel and peace citizens including children, women and elderly are died and injured. More than two million lost their homes and became internallydisplaced persons or search protection abroad. Innocent blood continues to flow. Economy of the Donbass is destroyed in large scale. The state bears huge loss. To justify crimes, committed regarding its people, neo-Nazi regime represent this started by it civil war as the war between Russia and Ukraine.
On February 27, 2020, the Kiev City Council by a majority of votes adopted a resolution on the celebration in Kiev of memorable dates and anniversaries. This year, Kiev will celebrate the anniversaries of the birth of Nazi killers, thugs, executioners and anti-Semites:
In an information message on the site of Kyiv City, they shamefully hid these anniversaries. But the head of the faction of the ultra-nationalistic party “Svoboda” Yuri Sirotyuk published the full text of the resolution.
Dear comrades, the Communist Party of Ukraine is asking you not to ignore this flagrant manifestation of neo-Nazism and the fact of the glorification of Nazi criminals. We urge you to disseminate this information as widely as possible in the media, from parliamentary stands and to condemn the similar practice of the Ukrainian authorities in their appeals.
Dear comrades and friends, we have no doubt that this decision will be used to unleash a new wave of repression against the Communist Party, its members and supporters.
In these circumstances, we urgently need your support!
Any actions and statements condemning the criminal decision of the Constitutional Court and the repression of the ruling regime will be useful to us!
After reading your other conversation in this thread, I doubt that you will read any of what I or anyone in this thread have shared with you. I can only call you to challenge that falsehood of “Russia being imperialist” in Ukraine and urge you to investigate without any bias what is happening in Ukraine. If you are still on denial, then I can only request you to open a post c/asklemmygrad and see what others have to say about the topic.
I leave you with the story of the antifascists brothers Kononovich:
In the Facebook posts from 2019 to 2021 that formed the basis of the accusation, it was stated: “The crimes of the authorities and Ukrainian nationalists in Donbas have no statute of limitations! Criminals must remember the inevitability of punishment”, “The Kyiv regime condemned the elections in Belarus. This is said by Nazis who are waging war against their own people and its history, in a country where opposition members are burned and killed, and where thousands of political prisoners are held in dungeons”, “Every Ukrainian must fight against euro-fascism in our country, each in their own place”, “Return the communists”.
However, as nationalist and neo-Nazi sentiments grew in Ukraine in the years following the collapse of the USSR, Georgiy Vladimirovich Buyko established and headed the “Antifascist Committee of Ukraine” in 2007 to combat the glorification of fascism. In 2011, the “Antifascist Committee of Ukraine,” under his leadership, along with the Communist Party of Ukraine and the Russian Bloc party, organized and participated in protests in Kyiv against nationalism and neo-Nazism.
I don’t honestly recall that line, is that from when Jyotishman plays devil’s advocate?
Anyways I think Joti does a good job of analyzing the geopolitical situation in Europe in terms of Leninism, in particular with reference to Stalin’s Foundations of Leninism, and the question of whether or not national liberation is progressive even if not explicitly socialist. The fight against western imperialism is truly the principal contradiction of our time.
I should’ve made it more clear. This is not a line from the discussion it’s my parody of the title
Edit: but after watching some of this video I guess I don’t really understand the whole of this war and where it really came from. I’ll have to learn more I guess
I’m not exaggerating when I say this is the first social media platform I’ve been on where most people are open to changing their minds in the course of a discussion. It makes my head spin.
Anyways, have a look at the recent thread on Ukraine here, in particular the reply by Yogthos: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9212334/7045123
Are you really using two accounts to “downvote” the comments you don’t agree with and upvote your own? lol
I have no idea what you’re talking about. I have this one account.
Interesting that you’d be more moderate after watching the video, I guess I’ll have to see it too.
Might’ve been wrong to question myself there lol. Her argument revolves around “Well Russia was provoked so they’re actually fighting an anti imperialist war” and the predisposition you’ve to have in order to agree with her argument is that you believe most or at least a big part of the official Russian narrative.
Even if Russia really was provoked and is fighting for it’s own sovereignty (by invading another country? but ok) then it’s still a capitalist nation that’s preying upon the nostalgia of its Soviet past and it’s absolutely not becoming even slightly more communist by the day. Why should I care whether it’s the thirteen colonies or the British empire that wins the American civil war?
Stop clicking the down arrow button and answer my question
https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/07/union-of-communists-of-ukraine-on-war-and-the-tasks-of-the-working-class.html?m=1
First of all, it is wrong to entirely dismiss the Russian side in the Ukrainian conflict. Russians have as much of a right to explain their side as the bloodthirsty West. Also, it is important to remind you that the West is not a truthful/reliable source as you think it is.
Continuing with that thought, the information mentioned by the Russians was also echoed plenty of times by Western media. This was collected by comrades in this thread post below and it is specially tailored for people that yet operate in the western framework(just like you are doing as of now):
You keep looking down on our russian comrades with this other statement. What if I told you that Russia has way more probability to become socialist again than the whole European countries(that are actively rushing into fascism)?
It is better to take a step back on your contempt and investigate what russian comrades have achieved so far.
You’re putting words in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the Russian narrative doesn’t mean I trust the western narrative.
So your whole argument is that I’m supposed to support Russia because it has the possibility of turning socialist? How does that dismiss ANY of the arguments against this war denouncing it as imperialist?
Okay another argument is Ukrainian warcrimes (especially those against Donbass and part of the population that likes Russia). You obviously haven’t heard “two wrongs don’t make a right”
https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/07/union-of-communists-of-ukraine-on-war-and-the-tasks-of-the-working-class.html?m=1 This is a statement of one of the organizations that was banned by the Ukrainian government
Oh, so you are the worst case scenario! You haven’t actually investigated anything about this conflict and just based your entire opinion on one Ukrainian “marxist” organization(out of many that there are available). If your aim is to only base your opinion in Ukrainian orgs, then I assume that you also read what the CP of Ukraine has said so far, right?
After reading your other conversation in this thread, I doubt that you will read any of what I or anyone in this thread have shared with you. I can only call you to challenge that falsehood of “Russia being imperialist” in Ukraine and urge you to investigate without any bias what is happening in Ukraine. If you are still on denial, then I can only request you to open a post c/asklemmygrad and see what others have to say about the topic.
I leave you with the story of the antifascists brothers Kononovich: