• optissima@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Tankies (a subpercent of the left) being the tipping point group that lost the election may be your worst take yet.

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      3 days ago

      Sorry that you don’t understand that left-purist voting was literally larger than the margin of defeat. I hope you come back in contact with reality someday.

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        3 days ago

        Wait do you have a source I can check out for that? Turnout was abysmal and to be honest I blame the entirety of the purposely-non-voting* bloc for this problem, not just the purists alone.

        * Not counting people who couldn’t vote. Like disabled people, those without transport, or those in precarious financial situations who couldn’t afford to.

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          People who voted for Biden in 2020, but refrained from voting Harris in 2024, overwhelmingly named left-purist reasons, and numbered in the millions

          There are many people are fault for the result in 2024, Harris not least of all. But it would have only taken one of these many groups which shat the bed to simply… not have done so… to deliver us from this fascist regime.

          And all of them chose not to.

          On here, on the Fediverse, left-wing nonvoters often crow about their choice and have others, including some voters, asspat them for that nonsense as though it was anything but delivering fascism to marginalized groups in the US, which is why I harp on how unacceptable it is.

          They could have saved many lives, if their principles actually meant anything. But all their principles meant was masturbatory self-congratulation.

          Arguably, it shouldn’t have needed to be up to them; that there were half-a-dozen other lynchpins that had to yield before it came down to US leftists. But they chose to yield, just like Harris and the DNC. And they may share a smaller part of it, but for that, they share the fucking blame of letting fascism into the highest levers of power of this fucking country.

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            3 days ago

            Holy shit. I had no idea it was that bad.

            It’s deeply unfortunate how so many purists/accelerationists lose sight of the very real impacts of those most marginalized, and now we see it unfold in real time at a dizzying pace, both at home and abroad.

            They forget that the fight doesn’t stop at the voting booth, and it’s much easier to fight for progress under someone who isn’t actively trying to genocide their own populace. There’s a shot Harris would have eventually cowed to outspoken pressure against Gaza, and now we have a homicidal rapist tyrant salivating to build a resort on the ashes of an annihilated people.

            It hurts.

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        3 days ago

        No no no, we’re talking about tankies. Operating on your definition, ones that support Russia. That group of leftists.

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          No no no, we’re talking about tankies. Operating on your definition, ones that support Russia. That group of leftists.

          I’m sorry, do you think that tankies weren’t pushing left-purism of exactly this sort?

          I’m flattered that I have such a dedicated fan, but you should probably familiarize yourself a bit better with how I define ‘tankie’ before trying to assert tankie means ‘leftists that support Russia’.

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    3 days ago

    Liberals are always the ones who hand power to fascists in a desperate bid to avoid giving workers anything.

    Try appealing to workers for a change. While you’re at it, offer someone more compelling than Donald Trump. It’s not even hard, just stop trying to make elections about which gender goes in which bathroom, and start making it about jobs and housing.

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      It’s not even hard, just stop trying to make elections about which gender goes in which bathroom, and start making it about jobs and housing.

      It’s funny. One set of left-purists insists that liberals need to abandon trans folk to win, and the other set insists that liberals have already abandoned trans folk, which is why they don’t win.

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        meanwhile, the right is blaming trans folks for murdering charlie kirk.

        funny, they just cannot fathom ‘harm reduction’ or that politics isn’t a zero sum contest.

        they literally sat out a vote because perfection wasn’t on the ballot; not understanding it’s NEVER on the ballot.

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        Voting for either half of the uniparty makes no difference to me: either way it means strikes broken up, workers’ rights diminished, government privatized, jobs lost. You can throw us socialists a bone or keep losing.

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          Voting for either half of the uniparty makes no difference to me

          I can tell. Those of us who aren’t quite so coddled and privileged have to live and die with the results.

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            23 hours ago

            Nah you can join me voting third party. I’m done holding your hair while you puke all over my shoes: get your shit together.