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Inherently transphobic? You’re just assuming and extrapolating
Don’t assume it’s malicious, they might just not know. Aren’t we here to discuss? Being wrong doesn’t mean I should be banned, but I should be corrected. Closing debates when I’m respectful isn’t useful to anyone
I just like to question things, not take and accept them just because the person is concerned by the topic, especially if they have a sensibility or opinion on the subject
The problem is you’re approaching interaction with the assumption it’s appreciated - but Blahaj isn’t set aside as an educational space, it’s a queer space - and people coming in and retreating to just asking questions when challenged is a really tired trope. You can be unfamiliar with a topic yes, but people are under no obligation to explain themselves or engage in a discussion with you just because of that. Calling a group “LGBT tankies” because you don’t understand this may be justified under your own guiding principals, but it comes across as the same kind of petulance as when incels encounter a women’s-only space.
You’re mad because you were banned, and you have a history of expressing transphobic opinions regardless of your internal motivation. It seems pretty straightforward what happened here.
Well yea, if you don’t want to debate, don’t. Don’t falsely claim the person is transphobic if you don’t know. Don’t censor the message. If you do, don’t be surprised that I call you authoritarian and full of shit
You invested an history of things I haven’t done. If you believe what I have said is transphobic, then you have a problem and are actively engaging in defamatory speech. You keep assuming stuff about me which I partly what I’m calling out
Sadly, safe spaces often turns out to be safe for some people, and xenophobic of other people. Authoritarian people thrive there and confirmation bias is king
Not being able to discuss in a community focused on this subject is really sad. I would never recommend an instance or community where only a single opinion is allowed
You just said a transphobic thing, though. It’s in the quote I used. That thing you said is transphobic, ergo you have a history of saying transphobic things.
You’re either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I said. You’re welcome to engage with discussion within the community (well not you specifically because of the ban), but there’s no obligation for the community to educate you just so you’ll feel included. Just like I’m not interested in litigating the details of why ‘asserting that you would consider a hetero relationship containing a trans person to be a gay relationship’ is transphobic.
It’s not an unfair assumption to assume that what someone tells you they believe is, in fact, what they believe. You have expressed transphobic views, so since the only information I have with which to judge you is based on what you’ve expressed, I can safely take you at your word that you at very least hold the transphobic opinion you have said you hold.
I suspect your inability to accept that rejection based on the things you say doesn’t automatically entitle you to defend yourself is also part of the reason for your instance bans.
Again, you’re just assuming bad intention. So I guess I must do the same with you? What if my question is legitimate? How can you know I’m just trying to piss of people? You’re just persuading people that I’m acting in bad faith, and I’m not.
Still can’t see any quote. What exactly is transphobic?
Just a sign of a bad community, but you do you. You’re free not to interact.
Then, can you really blame me for calling this out because I believe it’s not transphobic and you’re just censoring people and bullshitting?
So believing a person is homosexual if they like trans people with the opposite gender but same sex is transphobic? I think we can stop now, there’s no point in arguing. You just have a vastly different definition of transphobia from mine. I thought it was the hate or discrimination of trans people.
This is just fucking dumb and depressing. You’re creating enemies that aren’t there. Congrats.
I loathe quote-replies, but like the saint says…:
Nnnnno… no I’m not assuming anything about your intention, just your message. You’ve apparently conflated “you’ve said this transphobic thing” with “you must be a transphobe”. To be honest I think you’re probably well meaning, you just show a real lack of social skills and you treat criticism as an attack on you personally. To be clear, I don’t actually care what your intention is in saying transphobic things, only that you’ve said them. That’s been the explicit thesis of every one of my responses.
In order:
I don’t actually know how to make this more explicit, I’m going to be uncharitable and assume this was just you being truculent (since you go on to respond to the quote in question, this too seems like a fairly safe assumption)
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here (sorry)
Yes. It inherently implies that biological sex is their (in this case literal) defining feature, disregarding their gender - which is the much more important aspect of a person in every situation except medicine. It’s the exact same rhetoric being used by transphobes the world over to justify all their horrendous oppression.
Discrimination being “The ability or power to see or make fine distinctions”, your categorization of people based on the fine distinction of the interrelation of their gender expression and sex is very literal discrimination - and by your definition, that’s transphobia.
Please stop trying to make this about me characterizing you as anything but a rude person that has having difficulty accepting that even well-intentioned people can hold transphobic views, and that bringing said views into a space regardless of intentions is bringing transphobia into a space where it’s wildly and explicitly unwelcome. I don’t care about you enough to be doing anything more than that.