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How is this even a thing? I feel like it’s just psychological warfare.

Yeah it’s always off putting when they bring up black leaders and compare themselves to them

Pretty sure they’ve never heard Malcolm talk about Israel tho

Sigh Co-optation, or as the Fr*ncais say call it, recuperation

Or if we can say another thing

During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.

Apparently the man who thinks the civil rights act was a mistake, cheering ICE, supports israel apartheid… is an advocate for freedom

He was killed by a white man while using a tired old dogwhistle of “gang violence” to imply black on black violence. Its extremely ironic and extremely funny and they can go kick rocks if they don’t like that.

And they’re still peddling the “drug overdose counterfeiter” angle, despite everything we know about Chauvin owing Floyd money and them knowing each other beforehand.

“Never believe the antisemites are unaware of the absurdity of their claims” etc.

When you’re right you’re right

Fuck it not letting some dried up stains from letting me enjoy the park I’m back and vibing

Well if you are talking about outside America, most “nerd culture” is produced either in the USA or Japan. Generic Fantasy settings are based on idealized versions of Europe, and have a lot of problematic tropes associated. If someone’s only cultural input is this homogenized whitewashed crap then they will start reflecting that outwardly in their worldview. Marvel movies have an ideology. Video Games often have an ideology. “Apolitical” nerds who consume uncritically will have those ideologies

As a “quirky/nerdy/weird” Black person (as I’ve been called), I ain’t even got a problem with you saying this because, in my experience, I’ve noticed this pattern, too.

what happened that gave you such an impression?

It could also be due to the fact that a lot of fandom’s/fan communities are dominated by white people so nerdy poc appease the white leaders of these communities by not speaking out against injustice.

I see this with my cs degree now where the POC in my classes either inherit the opinions of the white professors or dont speak up at all. The amount of anti China hatred in western cs classes is wild and some of it comes from the Chinese diaspora who will protect white ppls feelings.

it’s like proclaiming that you don’t eat people

something that happened 400 years ago and is part of the past

Poc are getting the brunt of the fascism in America, not white people. This is just white centricism

The only way I have been able to make sense of white people’s double standards when it comes to atrocities our governments commit domestically vs abroad is to conclude that the very root of their problem is many of them are fundamentally incapable of seeing nonwhite people as human beings.

I can say this confidently because I have so frequently seen white people glazing politicians with the blood of millions on their hands. If they actually cared about other people, they would feel the hatred I feel anytime I see a “wholesome” picture of a smiling Bush, or a “wholesome” meme about who charming and folksy and unthreatening Biden is. If they actually cared, they would view this glazing as as distasteful and morally repugnant as if someone were sharing memes about how wholesome Hitler and Goebbels were.

whenever a leftist ik admits they used or use tumblr/4chan/reddit regularly or used to identify with it I keep my eyes on them like they’re going to turn into a horse or something

especially “leftists” spaces or boards there because they didn’t have a “everything I believe in is wrong I have to rebuild what I know” self critic moment, people who held obvious reactionary beliefs such transphobia or racism then decide one day to become a communist have to either wipe out everything they believe in or exist in nazbol communities, because the moment you start talking some “tradwives” and “all lives matter” bullshit you’re getting banned anywhere remotely on the left. They still carry the nonsense they held back then you just won’t notice it because it isn’t obvious or isn’t in the topic, you talk to them for a while and they seem fine then boom they start having nostalgia about the Hamilton Musical and Obama, or if they’re a redditor they start talking about Muslims, or if they were a /tttt/ or /leftypol/ user they use abbreviations and slurs no one knows.

The libs don’t read 😞

whats she saying about him? he’s too hot so he must have been the devil?

That sucks, homhom9000 .

And stupid fucks act like we’re supposed to be grateful about it. Like the God’s themselves have smiled down in favor upon us Considering precisely how much fetishism goes around and is rooted in serious fucked up history how in this capitalist society everything including relationships is commodified as transactional this just grosses me out and is a big red flag. And it further dehumanizes the people into thinking the only thing the subject of ridicule values is to be a commodity so as to find this bullshit flattering.

Wow that is heinous.

The legislation does concern me, yes, but the white complaints about it? I don’t care what they have to say because I can’t get over how common it is for white people to only care about injustice insofar as it goes after them personally.

I hear what you’re saying. I think I reached this point in like, Spring of 2024 at the latest. And it was entirely because of that dynamic. Watching white and even so-called “radicals” rush to ignore genocide because they actually don’t consider brown people human (again! They did this with Afghanistan and Iraq too, but this was so much worse!), well, that I should have expected. But to then in the very same breath act terrified that Trump was going to win and be a fascist just seemed selfish. Like ok white people, if you don’t care about people being murdered in an open air concentration camp then don’t suddenly expect people to care that you (and the rest of us) are going to get some more persecution at home. Be fucking consistent.

I mean, I was also basically frustrated with this dynamic: All of a sudden for the first time in their lives, many of these white people around me were grappling with fear that they were going to be directly persecuted by the government. I mean “they’re going to put us in camps!” fear. That’s something that the rest of us had to learn how to cope with as children. Grow the fuck up, white people. Or don’t, but don’t expect me to humor your childishness.

And I was so frustrated because I’d been trying to educate white people about the fascist threat for over a decade at that point, by pointing out the many ways the US government murders people abroad and persecutes immigrants domestically and was already putting immigrants in camps and cages and had been jailing black people to use for prison labor longer than I’d been alive, but most of my pleas for people to care about other people had fallen on [ableist language I won’t say actually, because that ableistly ascribes to disability what is better ascribed to whiteness. My words fell on white ears]. I’d been called “psychotic” even for saying that this white american nativist movement was evil, was going to kill people, and needed to be treated as such. But now all of a sudden wouldn’t you know it, Trump is fascist! The fascist threat suddenly looms out of nowhere! So we have to have to have to support Democrats to protect us from Trump! And if I pointed out that the Democrats were actively committing a holocaust right in front of our eyes, it was drowned out by “but the genocide will continue no matter who’s in power! We’re in danger! Save us!” I looked around. Was I alone in thinking this. I could be the odd one out and still be right, but if it was only me I should consider that maybe I was just wrong. But then other trans immigrant influencers I followed started saying it too: “Don’t use our queerness to excuse genocide. Fuck Trump, but fuck Biden and Harris and the Democratic Party as a whole too.” So no, it was (mostly) whiteness.

It sent a clear message: Oh, they have no solidarity. They don’t actually care about fascism. They don’t actually care about systemic violence being done to people. They just care about themselves. All those years when I had solidarity with oppressed white people meant nothing to them, because they just wanted to take but never give. And I stopped being able to care or respond in emotionally supportive ways. Friends would confide in me “I’m really scared, what if they try to round us up?” and all I could say was "welcome to the club, how do you think they treated Muslims here? But even then, most people didn’t get caught up in the dragnet so you’re probably going to be fine and shouldn’t worry so much, it’s needlesly stressing you. Here’s what helped me cope and not stress so much, maybe it’ll help you: “If they come for me, I won’t die alone, but til then I’m not going to torment myself worrying about a day that may never come.” I was trying to share my hard-won wisdom and help people not have to reinvent the wheel. But these ingrates didn’t appreciate it.

It reminds me of what I find so funny about HP Lovecraft’s writing, actually: the white supremacist attachment to being at the top and suddenly finding out they’re not. For Lovecraft’s characters, it was because there were older and more ancient powerful civilizations that predated Mankind. For Lovecraft himself, it was similar, except he was losing his shit about nonwhite cultures. For these people, it’s finding out that their whiteness will not protect them from other white people.

idk, it’s probably not the best thing for solidarity-building to vent those feelings but this is an EMPOC only space. And on the other hand, I’d really like to see white people who are relatively new to being systemically oppressed to this extent account for their position and maybe with a bit of humility say “I’m freaking the fuck out about possibly being on a government kill list, can those of you who’ve already had to grapple with this help me cope?” instead of “so y’all need to listen to me when I tell you that the best way to protect me is to throw your comrades under the bus”.