• Echo Dot@feddit.uk
      6·
      2 days ago

      This lot don’t even have a snazzy dress sense. They should be required to at least do it properly and at least where the uniform, let’s have a bit of self-respect around here.

  • EldritchFemininity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    94·
    3 days ago

    My one consolation over finding out about this whole fight between different groups of fascists (besides the fact that the fascists are fighting each other, that’s always a net positive) is that I can refer to it as gang violence.

    Kirk was killed in a turf war between his gang and a rival gang immediately after trying to downplay mass shootings by asking “with or without gang violence?”

      • EldritchFemininity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        13·
        3 days ago

        His literal last words before being shot were answering the question of if he knew how many shootings there have been in the past 10 years (after blaming them on trans people one question before) with, “With or without gang violence?” Not even a second later he had a fountain of blood spurting from his neck.

    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      1·
      3 days ago

      Yes you can. But nobody else will, especially not those in power, because we live in an extremely racist “culture.”

      • EldritchFemininity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        3·
        3 days ago

        Of course they won’t, but you can rage bait conservatives super hard with it by twisting every racist thing they say about black people being gang-bangers back on them.

  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
    75·
    3 days ago

    From what I’m gathering, it seems like one group is more “traditionally” American racism… And the other group is more like WW2 Nazi racists?

    Either way, they’re racists and not worth the oxygen they’re consuming.

    Can I just continue to have incredible distain for all racism? Because I’d hate to be branded as a sympathizer to either group. They both sound horrible.

    The only surprising thing to me here is that racists hate eachother enough for this level of violence. I don’t necessarily consider that a bad thing, I just thought they would… I dunno, bond over their mutual hatred of other races, rather than fight eachother over who is more racist.

    … Not that I’m complaining. Having racists kill other racists makes it easier to fight against the groups that remain. Both groups of racists deserve to be put down. Not that I have the ability, capability, opportunity nor motivation to do that work myself… I’m just not going to complain when one group kills the other, and the first group ends up in jail for life because of it. Honestly, that’s an absolute win IMO.

    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      12·
      3 days ago

      Authoritarians, which are not unrelated to racism, if left alone, will start stripping rights from each other. In a spherical cow sense, they can’t really bond with each other because they fundamentally hate other people, like as a concept. This is also sorta why their social media sites never take off.

      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        I generally hate people. I don’t want to be authoritative over anyone. I don’t want the responsibility.

        • n0respect@lemmy.world
          6·
          2 days ago

          I wonder if their hate is just a side effect of wanting to be superior over others. And that’s what drives their base actions.

          • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            4·
            2 days ago

            More or less, yes. It’s the satisfaction that comes from power.

            The main ingredients of fascism are fear (urgency) and a desire to reclaim a power once held, like in a birthright sense. A result of this is that the power they hold now is a result of the fear they’ve fostered, which means they quite literally cannot survive people becoming unafraid. There must always be a group of people to hate, even amongst each other, or the kingdom they’ve built vanishes.

    • GreenShimada@lemmy.world
      151·
      3 days ago

      Edgelords that treat their racism and violence as fuel for shitposts

      vs.

      Traditional “Brick and mortar and nooses” racists

  • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world
    71·
    2 days ago

    Not at all an important detail but pepe did not become a white nationalist symbol until winging dip shit out of touch loser candidate said it was.

  • GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works
    39·
    3 days ago

    This isn’t even getting to the part where Nick Fuentes gets red in the face arguing that he’s definitely a real incel, and denying accusations that he secretly gets laid.

  • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    591·
    3 days ago

    So the one thing about fascism, especially in its late stages, is that it tends to eat itself alive. When they run out of enemies, they create enemies.

      • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        16·
        3 days ago

        I mean the government isn’t necessarily late stage but if the fascists are fighting over who’s the biggest fascist that means shit’s up.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          25·
          3 days ago

          Maybe, but authoritarian regimes do often purge their ranks, and it doesn’t always mean anything significant is going down.

    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
      27·
      3 days ago

      While I agree fascist tend to indulge in self harm via factionalism, I don’t think this is really that, nor is it late stage. We’re approaching the stage where the fascist shed their traditional conservative mask and start enforcing their real ideology over the traditional conservative party.

      People forget that 4 years before the Nazi started their purge on greater German society during Kristallnacht they first purged and consolidated power in their own house during the night of the long knives.

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
        8·
        3 days ago

        This is it.

        The “true believers” in neoliberal conservative values are useful to make the rightward march to increasingly reactionary politics seem proper and reasonable to anyone who isn’t paying attention.

        But when shit is about to go down those same talking heads are a liability if they aren’t cool with barely contained barbarism.

  • LiveLM@lemmy.zipEnglish
    132·
    3 days ago

    I KNOW RIGHT???

    And people were like “oh the killer carved UWU what’s this and Helldivers 2 memes on his bullets, that’s common in Groyper circles”

    Bro are you talking aboutttttt, what do you mean???
    I just find it absurd how these niche-in-a-niche-in-a-niche communities develop and how seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles inside, it reaches a point where I’m just like dude, our lizard brains can’t handle the internet. We just weren’t wired to work like this, there’s no way

  • sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    152·
    3 days ago

    If anyone’s feeling pretty hopeless about finding this out for the first time, I recommend this documentary about the cartoon frog’s creator suing Alex Jones and trying to take back his ownership over Pepe from the white power weirdos. It’s very uplifting and the artist is a pretty likable guy.

  • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works
    841·
    3 days ago

    I didn’t even know about the Groypers till Charlie Kirk was killed by one.

    I only knew Nick Fuentes as “That guy who tried to sue Antifa” and later “The Right Winger who disavowed Trump in 2024”

    Apparently there’s controversy about him not “really” being an Incel because he had a girlfriend in high school, and he believes anything outside of being celibate is gay, because being affectionate with a woman is unmanly… and I’m like…

    “This is too much even for me.”

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
      47·
      3 days ago

      I didn’t even know about Charlie Kirk until Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper. I knew there was some rightwing crank being mocked for having a tiny face on a huge head, but that was it. My main reaction after the shooting was “damn, that really is a tiny face”.

      • k0e3@lemmy.ca
        5·
        3 days ago

        They had to go for the neck because the face was too small a target.

      • Almacca@aussie.zoneEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        I only learned about him when I was still on Reddit via people posting quotes on the ‘whitepeopletwitter’ subreddit. Between him, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh being constantly posted there, I damn near lost my mind at the sheer combined idiocy of them all and had to unsub.

    • LengAwaits@lemmy.world
      32·
      3 days ago

      Wait’ll you hear about that time Fuentes accidentally streamed himself watching gay porn. Or his date with a catboy!

    • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 days ago

      I know him as “that MAGA loser who’s a fiercly proud incel and got caught with tabs of gay porn open on a stream”.

      But to be honest I thought he had completely vanished into insignificance over the last 5 years. Sadly this appears incorrect.

    • Rothe@piefed.socialEnglish
      33·
      3 days ago

      Even though it is a well written, informative and comprehensive article, I still feel like I am losing braincells reading it. It is so incredibly stupid what some humans stoop to.

      • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
        12·
        3 days ago

        Same. At one point I found myself skimming words without taking them in and I had to stop.

        I did learn one important thing from all of this though - there are more fractures and divisions among the far right than there appears. Ever-smaller factions fighting amongst each other is better than one coherent group fighting the rest of us.

    • saltesc@lemmy.world
      461·
      4 days ago

      Fuck, we invent some useless shit. I wonder what’ll be around in 50 years? Tea cosy wars? A disdain for people with attached ear lobes? A religion that proclaims the colour yellow to be heresy?

    • Broadfern@lemmy.worldEnglish
      36·
      3 days ago

      Targeting Charlie Kirk

      What the fuck?! Seems pretty relevant to look into re: the past week but no let’s blame it on leftists

      • pinkapple@lemmy.ml
        11·
        3 days ago

        Fuentes himself was almost murdered last December by a guy who killed three other people and two dogs that day and ended up getting killed by the police. He went there specifically for Fuentes but I don’t think it was some foot soldier following orders. No idea if the guy was on the left but I kinda don’t really think he was.

  • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
    31·
    3 days ago

    I have a feeling the trial is going to be a cringe fest of internet memes. Lawyers explaining to the jury what 4chan and pepe is. The trial Charlie Kirk deserves.

  • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
    28·
    3 days ago

    It’s about whether you hate Jewish people the right way or not. It has nothing to do with brown people as both groups equally hate them.

    Kirk supports Israel and Fuentes and the groypers do not.

        • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          3 days ago

          I enjoy the use of past tense when he is mentioned. Now that we know he died by the hands of people just like him its even better. White on white. Hate on hate.

          • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
            22·
            3 days ago

            Other than the fact both were white Im not sure you can say they are “just like him”. There’s some significant differences in their views even if he turns out to be a groyper.

              • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                3 days ago

                Exactly, Kirk would let my Jewish family members he but would really hope they move to Israel so they can die and Jesus return. Fuentes would outwardly hate these same family members.

            • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              21·
              3 days ago

              There’s some significant differences in their views

              lmao. Ok yeah. Deep differences between nazis and the kkk too. Real important to remember!!! \s \s \s jfc.

              • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
                3·
                3 days ago

                there are difference between nazis and the KKK and you would have to be incredibly ignorant to not see them if you look for them. You dont fight brain cancer and skin cancer the same way despite both being cancers.

                • Lka1988@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  1·
                  3 days ago

                  Nazis hate ______ and KKK hates ______

                  Both believe white christians are a “superior race” and use fear, disinformation, and violence to make their views clear.

                  What’s the difference outside of who’s the target of their ire?

        • Zink@programming.dev
          21·
          3 days ago

          I think they are asking you to use past tense even discussing attributes of the awful former human charlie kirk.

          I see it as a light hearted joke, but with an undertone of “but seriously fuck that guy – sorry, former guy”

  • Stamets@lemmy.world
    58·
    4 days ago

    I did not learn what they were recently, because unfortunately I was raised on 4chan. Once you have a certain part of your brain plugged into that shithole website, certain bits of information will just make themselves available to you through the ether. You absorb information by osmosis (Jones). I wish I couldn’t. Skin me alive.