• the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Those who voted for him wanted exactly that, they just don’t want to admit it. There is nothing you can do to change their mind unless trump suddenly learns empathy and compassion then they will turn their backs on him instantly.

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    He would have to grow a tiny mustache and start speaking German.

    Okay, maybe it’s not that bad, but it really does seem like people have trouble generalising the concept of a fascist outside of it’s historical visual trappings.

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      They don’t want Hitler, they just want everything he stood for with a few groups swapped out. If they actually wanted Hitler, that would be bad, because dad/grandpa fought against Hitler.

      Any apparent hypocrisy is just a technicality, and people only point it out because of their derangement syndrome. /s

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      7 days ago

      the ones that think that the dems are the same are so brain broken over gaza at this point they’re as brainwashed as maga

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    8 days ago

    If nothing that’s happened yet had convinced them, then not much will. There are even people now who are personally affected by his shit that can’t smell it.

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      People still believe he’s only going after people who break the law, even though ICE is also arresting people going through legal immigration processes

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        I was listening to recent focus groups talking about him and this idea that he is a tough guy going after bad guys was a unifying theme. Its bizarre to hear it but for the people caught up in the Republican media ecosystem there’s still this whole other Trump. Despite all the evidence they cling to this image of him as some kind of powerful and macho leader.

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          Yep. I occasionally hear the fucking stupid doj advertisement about how trump is arresting murderers and violent felons. I always want to shake the people around who are nodding along with it and ask them how they can only bring up a few cases out of the massive amount of people snatched off the streets.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    Trump’s very explicitly and unapologetically idolizes Mussolini and hopes to emulate Mussolini’s government.

    But past that… these are different people operating in different eras under starkly different conditions.

    The '30s era fascists emerged in the wake of the Great Depression, following on the heels of a horrifying World War that eviscerated the continent.

    Modem 21st century fascism is emerging in an era of unprecedented surplus and prosperity, with the wealthiest nations on Earth mobilizing the idle accumulated Cold War military assets to play tug of war with everyone else.

    “Trump is Hitler” is dated and out of touch. He’s a creature of the modern era. His own beast.

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      an era of unprecedented surplus and prosperity

      The problem is that the wealth is consolidating in the hands of a few, with the plebs seeing none of it. A lot of us might as well be living through a depression, despite the economy.

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      There are many op-eds from the 30s where you would think Trump was being discussed. Geopolitics are radically different, but it’s surprising how much they had in common personality wise.

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    8 days ago

    Easy answer. Super easy. Not easy to happen, but easy to give a valid answer.

    Fox News would just have to have it as a talking point with a huge swath of their propagandists agreeing and all of them talking about it.

    You could literally say "people that are outside for any amount of time on (insert random date about 2 weeks out or so) will gain the ability to fly and if you add a part about it relieving joint and back pain permanently if activated from height I guarantee you’d see a huge increase in deaths by falling from heights.

    Red cities would just have old people splattered all over the sidewalks.

    And the world would be a better place immediately.

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        Nah, it would have to be the Fox News style full court press deception to have the intended effect.

        Most people would be convinced something is true if a huge swathe of people they trust say it’s true. (Myself included. I just try my best to vet trustworthy sources to begin with.)

        Fox News accomplishes this by getting you to distrust all other sources and then serve you a variety of “charismatic personalities” all parroting the same propaganda. This is how they cultivate false consensus.

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    I think the more pertinent question is, when the majority finally realize it, will it be too late? Will it make any difference?

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    Retro Hugo Boss-designed uniforms with shiny black boots? A spiffy new logo? They are currently a bit short on symbolism compared to the WW2 fascists.

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    The violation of due process made the nazis, facist, hitler type labels no longer hyperbole. Then you get the concentration camps and military use inside of america. Anyone who can’t see it at this point, I don’t know if they ever can except in hindsite.

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    I think at this stage, virtually everyone now acknowledges Trump is like Hitler. After all, the anti-Trump rallies had been more massive than expected, and something like the second biggest protest in US history.

    However, for the unconvinced who still doesn’t think Trump is fascist. What would have to happen? When social media and other sources of information is democratised. We live in different sets of reality because we are seeing only select sets of facts on to our media feeds, curated by propietary algorithms owned by private interests, to affirm our biases. Once we take away how social media is run by private companies, whose only interest is to anger us and to drive engagement and more ad revenue, we would be able to fully paint the bigger picture.

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      There would be tours through the facilities, merch shops and a guy in a costume entertaining the visitors.