What does “asking for trouble” mean to people? I would interpret it as “choosing to take an unnecessary risk”. It’s not a term I would use in this context, but it doesn’t necessarily imply that being the source of the trouble is morally permissible.
Here it is implied girls dressed a certain way is a prompt.
And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to extrapolate “bad things happen to them” from trouble.
I want to take the opportunity to leave this here: https://sbaproject.org/what-were-you-wearing/
Yeah, I feel like this will get accused of being victim blaming, but it could just as easily be something analogous to leaving a stack of cash in plain view in a parked car. Morally fine, but that’s not much comfort to me when my window gets smashed and the cash is taken.
Yes. I am accusing you of victim blaming. And objectifying women by comparing their bodies to cash, something commonly kept out of sight and locked up. It’s the same logic some religions use to justify making women wear full body coverings.
What if, instead of saying “asking for trouble” it said “asking for it.”
What the parent comment is trying to say is not a comparison between women and money. It’s saying that evil people will do more evil deeds if it’s easier for them to be evil. Your condemnation of their analogy is not only misplaced but is also harmful to the overall discussion.
Disagreement is not harmful to discussion, especially with the poor choice of analogy. What do you think the cash is supposed to represent here?
Cash in this analogy is representing a different target for evil people. Cash itself is not analogous to women, but evil people don’t think of them as women. They think of women as targets.
If this argument is based on the belief in wholesale “evil people” and that the people who violate and abuse women all see them as targets, I can’t continue. We have a fundamentally different understanding of where violence and abuse comes from…
Which goes back to the original headline. Is a women making herself a target by dressing a certain way (Not a literal target, hopefully?) Because that is what I’m disagreeing with. If that were true, then there would be an ideal way to dress in which a woman would not be “asking for trouble.” It follows from there that out of a group of women with different outfits, who were all sexually abused in the same manner, some would have been asking for it more than others. That’s what I can’t get behind.
Nobody is saying what you are disagreeing with. We’re all on the same side here and agree with the same stuff just saying it differently and you can’t understand that for some reason. You’re flipping out for no reason and I’m trying to explain that but it seems to be only making it worse for you somehow
The comparison isn’t between a woman and money, the comparison is between a woman and anyone who would leave cash visible in a parked car. The cash is not the victim, the person who left the cash visible is the victim.
If you leave more cash out, are you asking for it more?
Yes? A few quarters might not get stolen but a hundred dollar bill is gonna tempt every thief.
Would be great if neither got stolen though.
So if more cash = more likely to get stolen, then less clothes = more likely to be raped.
Just making sure we’re on the same page about this article where men are saying that women are “asking for trouble” by wearing less clothes.
I don’t think we’re on the same page because I have no idea what page you’re on but I hope you feel you’ve made the point you were hoping to make, whatever that might be.
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Do you wear a seatbelt when you drive? Lock your car doors? Use smoke detectors?
And I wear a gilly suit when I go out, since anything less is asking for trouble.
You can’t answer simple questions? Are you a child?
Do you not understand humor and subtext?
Boys thinking it’s a girl’s fault are in for trouble.
Boys referring to themselves as trouble, accidentally
so if I, a man, dress in revealing clothing, girls will give me trouble?
This sounds promising.
I know right? Just as I started to feel comfortable shirtless too.
More interesting would be the trend over time.
I suspect this is down quite a bit from previous generations, say, 50 years ago.
As a woman with two neices in highschool I’m more interested in what people think right now.
I first read the last bit of the title as, “says third grade boys.” I was really confused as to why they were polling third-graders to begin with. I thought girls still had icky cooties when I was that age.
That’s explain why third of boys are forever single.
I’d love to see a fat, hairy dude much braver than I just walk down a busy urban street in booty shorts and maybe one of those like, half top half bra things women wear at the gym sometimes and record the responses for posterity.
I’m not saying this to say that anyone wearing anything deserves ‘trouble’- this is fucking ridiculous and appalling - but depending on what you wear you CAN be asking for attention. It’s why designer clothing exists.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with dressing for attention. Be outrageous, be a queen, be flamboyant. You should be able to do this without fear of your safety.
But attention - that cuts both ways. It’s just that men rarely, if ever, dress in a way that attracts attention.
Also, like, guys, come on. Women live in constant fear of sexual assault. While I do think the internet exaggerates this a little bit, if you LISTEN to literally any woman they’ll school you on their Lived experiences anround this shit annd how fucking real it is. Even without that amplification this is a real fucking thing women deal with from the time they’re like twelve fucking years old. No woman, anywhere, should ever expect any kind of trouble regardless of what she’s wearing, and it’s fucking appalling so that many of them need to do mental calculus on what they have to wear when they go somewhere on the likelihood of being fucking raped.
