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  • PirateFrog@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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    Consider that Germany was in far more dire straits economically, and Hitler’s approval was crazy high even towards the end of the war (something like 60 or 70%). So the entire time the opposition was outnumbered.

    In comparison, Trump’s approval is around 45%.

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      Look up the history. Hitler wasn’t elected by a majority but appointed by an elite and then killed the opposition. There was massive opposition before, including street battles. But that’s also why he got the dictatorial power. Apporoval means nothing if people obey executive orders.

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        Could you link some sources for that massive resistance? Wikipedia says there was very little organized resistence for most of his rise to power, and the regime was SO popular amongst the populace, it prevented even anti-nazi’s in the intelligence services from acting on their underground networks.

        What we’re seeing with the current fairly widescale open resistence is far beyond anything that happened in Germany.

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          The scale of the opposition would be difficult to quantify - the whole reason liberals hand power to fascists in the first place is to violently suppress dissent against the status quo, after all.

          Italy gives a clue, however - almost the entire north of Italy was liberated by antifascist Partisan movements (before the US and UK suppressed them, of course.) The same thing happened in Greece - and Greece had turned fascist even before Italy and Germany did.

          So yeah… Hitler’s (supposed) “popularity” should be viewed with the same suspicion as Putin’s.

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            So yeah… Hitler’s (supposed) “popularity” should be viewed with the same suspicion as Putin’s.

            Fair enough, though I could also see Hitlers public approval rating being real for a few reasons.

            1. Unlike Putin & Trump, Hitler seemed to give frequent economic concessions to industrial workers to prevent dissent.
            2. Their economy did improve (due to imperialist conquest and ransacking obv, which most of the population didn’t seem bothered about)
            3. His supporters seemed to suffer the same cognitive dissonance cult-like worship that MAGA currently suffers under (despite their economic conditions getting worse in the US), but perhaps on a much wider scale.

            I’m not well read enough on Greek or Italian fascism to know if Mussolini or Metaxas were worse at quelling dissent or keeping the non-targeted groups ‘happy’, but from what I recall of Mussolini, his conquests were far less successful than Hitler’s, which may have limited his economic ability to keep people pacified in the same way.

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          From what I recall from Behind the Bastards, a major part of Hitler’s bloc was the upper middle-class. Shopkeepers, factory managers, so on. It basically came down to the opportunity to eliminate wealthy Jews, and taking their stuff - fancy furniture, buildings, their businesses, ect. The destruction of the Jews was a matter of greed that happened to fit hand-in-glove with racist ideology.

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          Resistence is too late. There was opposition before the nazis gained power.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold

          German site says 2.5 million members were organized mostly by SPD, with 250,000 in the elite units.

          They are mentioned as opponents to the SA:

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

          Its primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing parties, fighting against the paramilitary units of the opposing parties, especially the Roter Frontkämpferbund of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) and the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), and intimidating Romani, trade unionists, and especially Jews.

          By the time Hitler assumed power in January 1933, SA membership had increased to approximately 2,000,000

          Strangely there is no information about the conflicts. This is what I found, on the site of the communist units who also fought the nazis.

          Since the strategy of the SA was to fight and provoke, violent encounters between the RFB and SA soon became a part of everyday life.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roter_Frontkämpferbund

          What we’re seeing with the current fairly widescale open resistence is far beyond anything that happened in Germany.

          If it is not clear, it’s the other way round.

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            I wasn’t aware of the scale of those opposition parties, the Reichsbanner in particular. I also can’t really find much info on their conflicts pre-1932, I assume they are only written about in German? Definitely an interesting topic to delve into.

            Cheers for sharing the solid research :)

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      Once white people are getting vanned for lack of patriotic fevour I’m sure Trumps ratings will increase, too.