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If Cali doesn’t step up, federal agencies will keep targeting them
Unfortunately local cops are in favor of killing citizens.
Cops work for cities, counties, and the state…
Politicians can give them orders, and if the bosses don’t follow, they can be replaced.
Just because neoliberals act like they can’t do anything about cops, doesn’t mean they can’t.
The sheriff is his own elected official, and you can’t run for the position unless you’re a cop.
So cut funding…
But the issue is the LAPD, not the LASD.
Stop acting like norma have to be followed by one side, you don’t fight fascism with one arm tied behind your back
Doesn’t LAPD have jurisdiction inside the city?
Yeah, but a bunch of today’s events were in the county, not the city, and the county sheriff are the ones that are most willing to hurt people.
Edit: Gov Newsom is deploying the CHP. Hopefully they have orders to keep the other cops from going on a murder rampage
They can also not go home at night, too.
They’re only doing aerial surveillance. Newsom and McDonnell, the Chief of Police, have clearly stated that they will not be assisting ICE.
The national guard showed up this morning after being federalized against a governor’s wishes for the first time since school desegregation
They were dispatched the same way in Portland and DC during his first term using a loophole found by Barr.
It’s important to remember that the regime does not and will not have a superweapon it can use without severe consequences.
It’s also important to remember that the agencies showing up to harm and intimidate vulnerable and disenfranchised populations are cowards and generally unintelligent.
Protests are good. It gives them something to get angry about. The angrier they get, the dumber they act. They want violence. They want retaliation. The longer they don’t suffer casualties, the sooner they start making mistakes that cause them to weaken themselves.
Be an obstruction. Ruin their equipment. Broadcast their names and faces. Shame them.
If they resort to lethal force, it must not be responded to with violent resistance they expect. It must be unexpected resistance. It must make them question their actions. It must wake them up to the problem they have caused.
I appreciate your point, but I would also point out that these fascists call graffiti ‘violence’ and even ‘terrorism’ (see the AG response to vandalism at Tesla dealerships).
They can call it whatever they want. They call protesting rioting and violence.
I’m not talking about graffiti. I’m talking about making vehicles meant to carry victims to detention facilities inoperable.
Agree. Property destruction in self defense in not violence.
Mostly with you until the last paragraph:
If they resort to lethal force, it must not be responded to with violent resistance
Do not ask others to Martyr themselves. Active self defense is as critical as anything. My advice is to avoid life or death situations as much as possible, but if you find yourself in one do whatever it takes to get out alive.
It must make them question their actions. It must wake them up to the problem they have caused.
You cannot force someone to change their mind, opinions, feelings etc. and here their livelihood, social status and self esteem is reliant upon them never changing their mind. You can however prevent those actions that cause harm, by force usually.
The longer they don’t suffer casualties
Casualties means killed, injured or otherwise incapacitated. I don’t disagree that injuries and death result in massive backlash of public opinion (it’s also why ICE, cops, etc also don’t immediately resort to lethal measures) but the goal in modern civil conflicts like this one (of both sides) is to maximize casualties of that third category.
If they resort to lethal force, it must not be responded to with violent resistance they expect.
Then what else? Because in such a situation you only have fight or flight.
There is no flight. There cannot be flight.
You can’t fight tanks and automatic armed men with hunting rifles and handguns.
Vehicles need fuel, oil, tires, maintenance, and certainly not sand or anything in the fuel tank. Thugs need food, water, ammunition, communication, and pay. Dispersal equipment needs electricity, chemicals, training.
Counterpoint: Syria. Also if it gets to that point a significant chunk of the military would instantly defect, so yeah. But let’s not jump the gun; for now this is still police and not particularly aligned semi-military forces. The national guard certainly shouldn’t be provoked for now, but ICE should be fought whenever and wherever they try to kidnap someone. If the resistance doesn’t protect its own members and their communities from ICE, it simply cannot survive.
this is still police and not particularly aligned semi-military forces
What do you classify police as, if not "particularly aligned semi-military forces "?
Enthusiastic supporters of the regime and also pigs?
Also that 😂
general strike
Do you want another Rodney King? Because that’s how you get another Rodney King.
Hardware stores contain myriad tools of the revolution.
These police probably still use off the shelf DJI for surveillance. They probably can’t run EW because it’d knock their own drones out of the sky. Someone should check.
Totally not the actions of an occupying army.
Americans: we have guns to be sure that… democracy… liberty… constitution… bla-bla-bla.
Americans at the same time: what can we do? They have sticks and tear gas. And scary masks!Except as soon as one person pops off, every cop with the state-funded military gear will indiscriminately return fire because they really really want to use all of their bullets at once then go home and beat their spouses on paid leave.
This is California, the state with the strictest gun laws in the country on the books. You’re asking civilians with compliant arms to go up against literal military surplus equipment (provided through the 1033 program)?
Also, nice bot username. Let’s see if you reply to any of the comments.
Seems like we need to start funneling arms into CA from surrounding states?
Who said that police will dare to return fire? It is easy when you’re against one negro or a band of drunken bikers in the worst case. But fighting against people? Being in the minority? Nah…
They will 100% return fire. You’re an idiot.
And you’re a coward. Totally deserving of what Trump regime will do with you.
If not openly carrying a gun to a protest and risking my life makes me a coward, then yes, I agree. What if I told you there are better ways to disrupt the conservative agenda than flaunting a gun around a cop?
There are many ways. Global strike, for example, if you’re a complete pacifist. But you won’t do that either. Because you “have a family to feed”.
Lots of assumptions you’re making, none of which are true, but something tells me that pointing that out to you is useless.
I’m not sure if you’re familiar with US politics, but the Venn diagram intersection of people who have advocated for civilian firearm ownership AND resisting stricter immigration laws is vanishingly small.
Mostly Democrats are upset about the current ICE push, but they also spent the last several generations trying to eradicate civilian firearm ownership, particularly in California.
I’m on the side of of both more guns AND due process, but it wasn’t until recently that I’ve noticed traditional lefties waking up to why the second amendment is important.
My hope is that the left remembers this feeling the next time they’re in power.
These people are going in with armored vehicles, SWAT gear, and military equipment. A single vigilante isn’t going to do shit other than get murdered and probably get everybody around them shot as well. We have to be smart about this. We have to be organized.
Don’t place a car airbag under a manhole cover, it’s very dangerous.
These demonstrators are heroes. I hope the people mowed down by unmarked ICE vehicles survive and ICE collapses under the lawsuits.
If you break a spark plug, the pieces can be thrown, and those pieces will shatter car windows with ease
They used to. They don’t on vehicles made in roughly the last 8-10 years depending on manufacturer.
Its nice that people want to help their neighbors but it still stands that the main reason California has so many undocumented immigrants rather than them being documented or naturalized is because its better for business to have cheaper labor that doesnt have to follow regulation or safety standards.
Right, which is why ICE is currently cracking down and the list of those arrested include mostly C level individuals within those businesses like Stewart and Lynda Resnick, Elon Musk, Sundar Pichai, Doug McMillon, etc. for rampant, willful and contemptuous violations of the law.
Oh, that’s not at all what’s happening? Huh, seems like you might be starting from a false premise.
More like you presented a false conclusion from my premise, but good try.
By “California” do you mean “every farming community in the country”?
I was only being specific due to the news article but yes I agree with your statement too.
