This is not an isolated issue. This is how we treat animals and other humans (regarding the harpooning, we only do it figuratively to other humans, not literally).
You’re right. Probably should be mostly figuratively to humans, but also literally. And we also do it figuratively to the whales by destroying and polluting the ocean ecosystems.
People’s morality about slaughtering meat is going to flip so hard once we get affordable lab grown meat, future generations will think of us as utter savages. But until then I don’t think it’s going to happen at scale
I doubt, it’s going to make any sudden jumps. We have various vegan meat alternatives already, which are good, and you still have plenty people that feel personally attacked by the existence of morals, because they base their personality on eating dead animals.
Maybe that’s because most of the vegan meat alternatives don’t taste like what they’re trying to replace, have a weird texture, or cause horrible gas/stomach problems.
We haven’t cracked a good meat substitute yet, at least not for people that enjoy the real thing. We’re close, but we’re just not there yet.
So you’re saying for you to stop causing unnecessary suffering, solely for the pleasure of your taste buds, you’d need a perfect 1:1 replacement, because otherwise you’re valuing a good meal more than not being a monster to animals?
Then let me ask, how many meat substitutes have you tasted so far? An estimate would do.
I think it’s a real shame too. I’ve had some fantastic veggie/potato burger. You gotta drop all pretense of the patty being meat, and instead just focus on making it tasty.
You’ve interpreted very different goal posts into my comment than I intended. My comment was deliberately unspecific, because I’m well aware that we all live in different situations. I can buy vegan meatballs in the shop, which taste like the real thing, but if I lived in a more rural region or in a different country, I might not be able to.
But what’s essentially universal to the human experience is that there’s some decent vegan protein source, which folks could be eating more of, if they wanted to. So, I’m not talking about switching over wholesale here. I’m saying most people could be eating more nuts, peas, beans, lentils, hummus, tofu, vegan meatballs, whatever. You’re gonna find something.
Lots of folks don’t even engage with that option, though. Either they’re too lazy to learn something new, or they’re psychopaths who don’t care about morals in the first place, or they’re caught up in identity politics of “I need to be strong, because I’m suffering from toxic masculinity, and to be strong, I need to be eating meat”. And particularly in the last case, they often associate meat and manliness with their food having bled out.
As such, in terms of actual morality, lab-grown meat will
maybe catch a few of the lazy folks, because they really don’t have to exert even the slightest thought anymore, whether it’s equivalent to what they usually eat,
not get through to the psychopaths, because those never care about morals, and
have a hard time with the toxic masculinity crowd. Maybe some of them will be rational enough that it’s the same thing in the end, and so even though they’re irrational in their belief that they need it for manliness, they might still accept it. But especially if the lab-grown meat isn’t immediately perfect, I expect there to be persistent pushback, that it’s not the real deal and whatever. The meat industry will gladly spread propaganda to reinforce that.
It’s not just whales, one could draw the same comic about other animals being hunted or factory farmed, it would be very traumatic to live through. In fact Disney made an animated one about deer.
Factory farming is indeed very bad. But the way to fix it isn’t to go vegan. The way to fix it is to campaign legislators to change the laws to stop factory farming. And being vegan, you’ve basically deleted yourself from that particular equation. Because now no one has any reason to listen to you on the subject.
This is not an isolated issue. This is how we treat animals and other humans (regarding the harpooning, we only do it figuratively to other humans, not literally).
Go vegan.
We do it literally to other humans, look Gaza or South Sudan
You’re right. Probably should be mostly figuratively to humans, but also literally. And we also do it figuratively to the whales by destroying and polluting the ocean ecosystems.
People’s morality about slaughtering meat is going to flip so hard once we get affordable lab grown meat, future generations will think of us as utter savages. But until then I don’t think it’s going to happen at scale
I doubt, it’s going to make any sudden jumps. We have various vegan meat alternatives already, which are good, and you still have plenty people that feel personally attacked by the existence of morals, because they base their personality on eating dead animals.
Maybe that’s because most of the vegan meat alternatives don’t taste like what they’re trying to replace, have a weird texture, or cause horrible gas/stomach problems.
We haven’t cracked a good meat substitute yet, at least not for people that enjoy the real thing. We’re close, but we’re just not there yet.
So you’re saying for you to stop causing unnecessary suffering, solely for the pleasure of your taste buds, you’d need a perfect 1:1 replacement, because otherwise you’re valuing a good meal more than not being a monster to animals?
Then let me ask, how many meat substitutes have you tasted so far? An estimate would do.
I think it’s a real shame too. I’ve had some fantastic veggie/potato burger. You gotta drop all pretense of the patty being meat, and instead just focus on making it tasty.
You’ve interpreted very different goal posts into my comment than I intended. My comment was deliberately unspecific, because I’m well aware that we all live in different situations. I can buy vegan meatballs in the shop, which taste like the real thing, but if I lived in a more rural region or in a different country, I might not be able to.
But what’s essentially universal to the human experience is that there’s some decent vegan protein source, which folks could be eating more of, if they wanted to. So, I’m not talking about switching over wholesale here. I’m saying most people could be eating more nuts, peas, beans, lentils, hummus, tofu, vegan meatballs, whatever. You’re gonna find something.
Lots of folks don’t even engage with that option, though. Either they’re too lazy to learn something new, or they’re psychopaths who don’t care about morals in the first place, or they’re caught up in identity politics of “I need to be strong, because I’m suffering from toxic masculinity, and to be strong, I need to be eating meat”. And particularly in the last case, they often associate meat and manliness with their food having bled out.
As such, in terms of actual morality, lab-grown meat will
What does veganism have to do with opposing whale hunting?
It’s not just whales, one could draw the same comic about other animals being hunted or factory farmed, it would be very traumatic to live through. In fact Disney made an animated one about deer.
Factory farming is indeed very bad. But the way to fix it isn’t to go vegan. The way to fix it is to campaign legislators to change the laws to stop factory farming. And being vegan, you’ve basically deleted yourself from that particular equation. Because now no one has any reason to listen to you on the subject.
Your point makes no sense.
I thought I provided that connection by mentioning the harm we’re doing to almost all animals.
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but plants feel pain too