And a bunch of bloodthirsty libs jumped down my throat for daring to speak against Ukraine and their noble practices of not notifying people that they’re going to be doing a false flag operation and also Russia also did war crimes so international law is therefore null and void

And the weirdest part is that nobody seemed to catch that the thing that most upset me was random innocent truck drivers being the ones put at risk in this scheme and nobody even wondering about what would have happened to them if they got stopped and searched by Russian soldiers and labeled as “terrorists” for just taking a delivery job

  • Simon 𐕣he 🪨 Johnson@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    2 days ago

    essentially militias formed from Ukrainian civilians who were fighting in resistance of their own ethnic cleansing by the Ukrainian government.

    The ethnic cleansing argument is as tired for Ukrainians in Ukraine, as it is for Russians in Ukraine (and Russians in Georgia). It’s a show put on for liberal international political discourse and nothing more. The “self-defense” forces in the DNR went on to ethnically cleanse Romani’s in the same way that the Ukrainian Nazi gangs in Kyiv did.

    This is such a tired trope and simply used by whoever wants to add moral weight to their POV. There aren’t significant meaningful differences between perpetrators, their behaviors and frankly their ideology here.

    • InappropriateEmote [comrade/them, undecided]@hexbear.netEnglish
      26·
      2 days ago

      Even if what you said is true, which it is not (see Formerlyfarman’s comment), whether or not Ukraine was trying to ethnically cleanse the Donbas prior to the SMO (which it was), and regardless of the virtues or crimes of the people’s militias, none of that matters as far as what I was saying. None of that has any bearing on the asymmetry of war crimes perpetrated by Ukraine vs the lack of them committed by Russia.

        • InappropriateEmote [comrade/them, undecided]@hexbear.netEnglish
          22·
          2 days ago

          None of what you said matters with respect to my initial comment. I said what I did because it is what happened and provides context. Your altering of that context (by making up falsehoods) still didn’t change the point of my comment. And just a tip: it doesn’t help your credibility to ask the people you’re disagreeing with to walk you through the basics of how discussions work.

    • Formerlyfarman [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      23·
      2 days ago

      This is bullshit. The Ukrainians brought ISIS guys from Syria to help in the ethnic cleansing. And the Georgian government was ethnically cleansing the ossetians.

      These are not equivalent.

      A regime that has caníbal lunatics running around massacring villagers(Ukraine, Syria) is not equivalent to militias formed to defend themselves from being eaten alive.

      • Simon 𐕣he 🪨 Johnson@lemmy.mlEnglish
        11·
        2 days ago

        The Ukrainians brought ISIS guys from Syria to help in the ethnic cleansing

        holds up a bizzaro world mirror Putin importing ebil Norf Koreas attacking my hecking NAFO doggos.

        Georgian government was ethnically cleansing the ossetians.

        Yeah the Russo-Georgian war was fought because Poland was trying ot get an accelerate NATO MAP for Georgia in April of 2008. The Russians claimed a genocide kill count of 2000 in August at the start of the hot war. The Ossetians claimed 500. The hot war lasted 1 month. In December of 2008 the MoJ came up with 162 bodies, and no actual physical or circumstantial evidence. Then they stopped talking about it forever. I dare you to find any actual evidence.