Bannon trying to get rid of the side bitch so he can make a move.
How about a compromise: impeach trump and terminate elon’s contracts unless he steps away from his companies, they’re both nuts.
My abusive alcoholic uncle said something right once. So it’s a thing.
This is, without a doubt, the best idea Steve Bannon has ever had.
Never though I’d see the day where I’d think one of this assholes ideas was a good one
Trump sending Elon to El Salvador would be the absolute wildest shit
I’ve heard Elon has some very gang-looking tattoos somewhere. Send him to the gulag and nationalize his rockets.
But… he can’t go back to South Africa with all the white genocide he’s escaping!
Don’t worry, El Salvador will do just fine.
Don’t be a 🌮
DO IT!!!
Sick ICE onto him. Fuck him off to El Salvador!
Sic is the word you were looking for.
Nah. Something like CECOT but in Rwanda.
Musk, ironically enough, has become the proverbial wolf by the ears.
I think the reactions here show why democracy is so fragile.
Between two shits you should pick the least stinky shit.
In this case defend Musk from Trump and Bannon.
No one should be deported because of the race, gender, class or political opinions.
That said. Pretty funny that Elon could be kicked out if the usa by a dictator he proped up.
I disagree, if you campaign politically that people should be deported because of race, gender, class or political opinions, it would be inconsistent not to deport you.
In this case he’s admitted in multiple recordings that he overstayed a visa which is illegal and disqualifing for perm resident let alone citizen. In this case it would be a legit deportation as long as it was to Canada or SA.
If tramp and bannon get their way, maybe billionaires will finally realize that democracy and rule of law is better for themselves than an arbitrary dictatorship and that this is a dangerous game that will get to them eventually e.g. putin’s russia.
Or maybe they’ll follow the “carpe diem” advice and there’ll be no good in realizations.
Ok, but what was your point in first place? That we need to stop dictators before they start to deport billionaires, because that will mean the end of rule of law for everyone? If billionaires can’t/won’t stop tramp, there is certainly nothing the people can do for them before things get really ugly.
PS: what is really funny here is that elon bought the presidency for these guys out of fear of going to jail for his crimes under rule of law. So he tried to overturn rule of law…he was the one saying a few weeks ago that judges should not be able to hinder executive power and suspend habeas corpus…now the lawlessness he championed risks eating him alive. If that is not justice, I don’t know what is.
It’s not a point, it’s a vibe, after Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky were defeated by Putin, it didn’t take much time or fighting to create the environment Russia still lives in (except countless worthy people were probably kidnapped and probably murdered or probably secretly jailed, just because those on top don’t like someone being better than them).
The oligarchs made their choice. Lets see if the american oligarchs fuck themselves up too, that is not a given yet.
It’s also just stupid, the man is a billionaire and will quite literally dab his tears with the billions he will still have in Dubai or some shit. It’s fucking theatre and I’ve been waiting for decades for these dipshits to figure it out.
I don’t think Musk needs to be defended in the name of democracy. Musk personally took a literal chainsaw to dismantle american democracy and in the process made the lives of millions worse. He’s an opportunist shit stain that deserves everything that is coming for him.
Did he deserve it? Yes. Would it be democratic? No.
You don’t see the problem with that? Democracies have no real protection against something like that because it would go against the basic idea of democracy.
No matter who it is or what the person has done… in a democracy you can’t simply suspend democratic rights for that person.
I see your point. But this is something else and has a lot to do with lack of democracy to begin with. Elon Musk is/was above the law which is undemocratic in itself. He was never elected by anyone, yet wielded enormous power over the government and damaged the institutions. All this while not even having US citizenship.
To be clear, I’m not rooting for Trump or Bannon, those are traitors and grifters who sell the country for their own profit. Nobody should be above the law and those people should face consequences for their actions in a democracy. So, if you want to strengthen democracy it might be a good idea to start by fighting against the people who are willfully and deliberately destroying it, instead of defending them. That’s my take.
America has not been a real democracy since Trump’s first term. Where a lot of people have already been replaced. Biden’s efforts, which would have been for the people, were all blocked and with the pandemic there were further restrictions. Perfect pawn sacrifice. Especially as the accusations were already being made while they were being blocked at the same time… So in the second election, when terrorist acts such as January 6th had already been going on for a long time… there was not a single accusation of election manipulation although it was so obviously manipulated and was an absolute farce… Trump wasn’t elected legally either… the law, i.e. the courts etc. didn’t do their job either otherwise he would have been in jail long before that… Neither of them were elected…
So regarding Musk… democratically would be e.g. life imprisonment in security custody in addition of course a complete expropriation of all property… which would remain in state hands and would be used for the benefit of the people. So not profit-oriented like private companies… ( I know thats dreaming )
Democracies do have plenty of possible protections. It’s just that human nature allows for fallacies like of “once elected leader, always true leader” or, the same, “once captured a market honestly, always a deserved monopoly”. Also human nature allows for another fallacy, that being able to threaten “bad” people is beneficial for “good” people. It’s not. Any mechanism of threatening people with, say, deportation is not a weapon in the hand of some “good” group, it’s a weapon in the hand of anyone who captures it, and its real state and ownership is always unclear.
It’s very simple theoretically to defend a democracy, make it so that even a person publicly insulting mothers and sisters of all his compatriots would be completely safe (except for being ignored by some of their acquaintances), and that a person committing the worst imaginable crime could be certain they’ll live in prison like Anders Brejvik at worst. No ape vengeance.
One good trait of rules is that they, when followed, work with clear limitations and verification, and that they don’t require keeping anyone in fear. A means to keep one man in fear are the same as means to keep a land in fear.
Fear is not only the mind killer, it also kills the dignity of those relying on it for their safety.
It’s very simple, don’t fear and don’t try to keep others in fear. When these are fulfilled for you as a thought experiment, you might notice some glaring flaws in the modern societies that you don’t see when thinking inside right\left or libertarian\authoritarian or liberal\conservative categories.
A Lebanese doctoral student has no fans, so when ICE comes for her people don’t get angry.
But if ICE comes for Musk then his millions of followers will be quite engaged.
So while I absolutely agree with you, I’m quite happy for Musk to be a sacrificial lamb in this case. The fact that he’s an asshole makes it easier to accept.
I should have expressed myself differently. My argument was from a democratic point of view. But the USA is definitely no longer a democracy.
My personal opinion: I really wish Trump and Musk the worst and would celebrate if they were both executed. Whether by justice or vigilante justice doesn’t matter.
It wouldn’t harm the idea of democracy because democracy has to be rebuilt first.
I should have expressed myself differently. My argument was from a democratic point of view. But the USA is definitely no longer a democracy.
While I can appreciate the cynicism “democracy” is a spectrum, not a boolean. It’s certainly less democratic now since they have a dictator in charge. But the system is large and while he has captured a tremendous amount of federal power the states still have quite a bit of autonomy (yes yes, I hear your “for now” rebuke).
All the fired employees (who can’t even be rehired because their data has been deleted), January 6…, election manipulation, taking office despite criminal offenses, ICE, replacing all the leadership positions, market manipulation, announcement of war, announcement of war against allies… But you could also ask the people who died as a result of the change… if they still had the freedom to speak… No, it’s no longer a democracy…
Do you know what the Eastern Roman Empire was? Do you know why it doesn’t exist anymore?
Because relying on one your enemy to destroy another your enemy is not wise. It seems wise, that’s why every idiot believes in it.
If you support the stronger side, they’ll add the remaining resource of the defeated to their power and hit you with it.
If you support the weaker side, then none will likely be destroyed.
He’s an opportunist shit stain that deserves everything that is coming for him.
This is miserable. You should be coming at him. Or if he doesn’t hurt you right now, coming at those who do.
The question is what will it take for other billionaires/oligarchs to learn this lesson and stop supporting dictators?
Eternity. Humans don’t really learn.
Then elon won’t be the last to be purged e.g. Jack Ma.
