Liberalism is when you believe in voting against fascism to lessen the burdens on engaging in actual leftist action, I guess.
Extremely dire turbolib statement here, RIP
Liberalism is when you believe in voting against fascism to lessen the burdens on engaging in actual leftist action, I guess.
Extremely dire turbolib statement here, RIP
In 2 years, when ICE will be going door to door doing blatant curb stomps, pug Jesus is still going to be whining about tankies not voting for genocide, as he posts bizarre memes about the good old days of the Union beating the confederates. Absolutely bizarre.
PJ will say that its actually people being on lemmy why Trump is in power today, without a hint of irony.
“Golly gee, I wonder why those evil LIBS would be complaining about the results of letting a fascist win in an election, just because those fascists are doing blatantly fascist things???”
Truly inexplicable. Don’t worry, though, in 2 years, there’s a very non-zero chance I’ll be dead, and you can pat your fellow LARPers on the back for successfully killing so many marginalized groups without interruption.
“fellow LARPers… killing so many marginalized groups”
I’m sorry we weren’t so aware of the evil “‘anarchist LARPers” killing so many minorities for *checks paper* not cutting corners for liberals who actively are against many implied minorities. I get I’m beating a dead horse, but outside any political context and purely logically, this still makes zero sense.
“not cutting corners for liberals”
What corners are cut by casting a vote, again?
Like, this isn’t me saying “ANARCHISTS ARE BAD FOR MUTUAL AID” or “ANARCHISTS CAN’T CRITICIZE LIBERALS”
This was me arguing that harm reduction is not morally optionally, and then getting banned from an anarchist comm for it - with the justification, as mentioned by DB0, that ‘harm reduction’ was itself inherently reactionary and anti-anarchist, despite harm reduction being an anarchist concept to begin with.
A lot. A leftcom told me this once:
Voting for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people is not good. This isn’t a “lesser evil” thing, this is supporting a genocide we can both agree with. In Nazi Germany, there is no corner to be cut by not being against Nazi Germany, because that’s genocide. The same can be said for voting for liberals, what is the difference between you and a Zionist liberal if you’re voting and advocating for them? Sure, you may think differently and know that the Palestinian people are being genocided, however you still support the people who do that.
I’m not gonna hold and punches, you’re a liberal in practice. Read theory as much as you want, as long as you vote for genocide, you vote for genocide.
Thank you, that explains so much. /s
Cool. Deciding that you’d prefer more support to go to genocidaires, instead of less support, is not good. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it’s much more clearly horrific than whatever weird spiritualist view of the ballot box you have.
This is, and I mean this in the most literal sense, incoherent.
Apologies if it is, I’m sleep deprived and just spitting my thoughts about this while getting a good chuckle.
What I mean is in the same way you cannot be on the side of the Nazis in the 1940s, you cannot be on the side of Israel and supporting the Zionist cause.
As previously stated, I won’t engage in bad faith arguments like
Once again, sleep well.
I’m not on the side of Israel and supporting the Zionist cause. But when there are two options, you pick the less bad of the two. It’s not fucking rocket science.
The Soviets in WW2 were committing genocide. Yet the question of winning the Second World War depended on cooperation with the Soviets.
With the same mindset that supporting literal genocidaires - the Soviets - was necessary to stop a worse outcome - the Nazis - so too was this past election. We had our choice of supporting the liberal coalition candidate, or the fascist coalition candidate. And all too many people decided they’d sooner see the Nazis win than side with genocidaires - despite the fact that siding ‘against’ the genocidaires did nothing to actually reduce the genocide being done - and, in fact, actually intensified the genocide you were supposedly protesting against.
Harm reduction is an explicit rejection of the idea that, in a tight situation, supporting the less-bad option is dedication to their cause. It is only supporting the less-bad option being the one to result. A vote takes, for most, an hour of your time, twice every two years. Most people spend more time fucking jacking off. If that’s too much strain for you to save the lives of literal millions, you’re a fucking LARPer, not someone who’s interested in the welfare of marginalized groups oppressed by state power.
But if you’re more interested in spiritualist, self-centered interpretations of politics, rather than political action as a way of improving lives and reducing harm, well, that kind of LARPers mindset is naturally geared against that very simple idea that a vote isn’t a love letter. Who cares about outcomes? You have to keep your internal karma meter positive, or some stupid shit like that.
Sorry that you think inaction in support of the worse option is absolution?
I love how you have framed a relationship between two allies of neccessity who were in the wake of a world war going to become superpowers as if it is equitable to a client state of a superpower committing genocide on its peoples internally while the superpower handed them essentially unlimited weapons and ran diplomatic cover for it while pretending to try to stop it.
You are clearly in denial and it shows.
The Palestinian Genocide is not a war, it is a genocide.
Ah yes, like the Arab and Muslim Americans in Dearborn who decided they wouldn’t vote for a candidate who promised to kill their brothers and sisters in Lebanon with the utmost lethality. These people are the ones who are killing marginalized groups. Sure.
God, the sick and twisted knots libs can twist themselves into trying to explain how fascism takes rise. I give you 1 year before youre calling ICE on your Muslim and Arab “tankie” neighbors.
Yes, actions have consequences, sorry that you think that they don’t?
“We should have stopped the no-brakes-ride to fascism.”
“LISTEN TO THIS SHITLIB LOL”
Sorry that you think marginalized groups should be murdered as fast as possible, I guess.
PJ, I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, you are the biggest dork I’ve ever found on the internet.
Because I… want fewer marginalized groups to be murdered?
Uh, okay.