Thread by zei_squirrel
both Bernie Sanders and AOCIA have said the attack in Boulder was “anti-Semitic”. The attack was explicitly targeted at pro-Israeli Zionists, literally at a Zionist political rally, and the person who did it said he was specifically targeting Zionists. Random Jews were not targeted and attacked. He did not go to some random Synagogue and attack Jews. He did not just find random Jews on the street to attack. It was specifically targeted at a Zionist pro-Israeli fascist group.
The exact same thing happened with the Israeli embassy Christian Zionist who was eliminated. AOCIA and Bernie Sanders lied and did the conflation there too even though he wasn’t even Jewish, and even if he had been, HE WAS NOT TARGETED FOR THAT.
Conflating Israel with all Jews and lying that Zionists who are targeted are not being targeted for their fanatical devotion to the genocidal Israeli death-cult and its mass burning alive, beheading,removed and murder of Palestinian babies, children, girls, boys, women and men, intentionally launders genocidal Zionist propaganda.
So it is not at all surprising that both Sanders and AOCIA who have done this from the beginning of the genocide are still doing it now:
never forget that AOCIA viciously smeared anti-genocide protesters in New York, saying “anti-Semitism has no place in our city”, and voted for the IHRA equating criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. She helped normalize the fascist Zionist censorship industrial complex that is now kidnapping people off the street
in 2023, right as the genocide was reaching its most murderous levels, Bernie Sanders voted for a Senate Resolution condemning anti-genocide student protesters and organizations as “antisemitic, repugnant, and morally contemptible”. He is directly responsible for the deportations
Zionism is not identical to being Jewish. That is the propaganda lie that is constantly spread to cast every act of opposition to Zionists and the genocidal death-cult as being inherently anti-Semitic, and Bernie Sanders and AOCIA have been key figures in laundering that lie
they keep doing this over and over again. Synagogues that are holding fundraisers for the genocidal Israeliremoved-army that is right now at this moment burning babies alive and starving them are protested, often by anti-Zionist Jews, and it’s written as “OMG ANTISEMITIC ATTACK!!!”
it’s a very simple truism intentionally obscured by propagandist liars like Bernie Sanders and AOCIA: Zionists are targeted not based on their identity, but specifically and explicitly based on their genocidal ideology. John Mearsheimer destroyed this lie:
equating the genocide with all jews is antisemitic
All of the orgs are having hard struggle sessions about this shit
I will never understand why socdems have such a hard on for these two idiots.
they want the system to work and they think these two are the solution imo
Because being controlled opposition is what entire socialdemocracy is about.
Social fascism or something idk
Sheepdogging because they know without a fake valve and bait n swich for show people would leave the DNC in droves and a vital 3rd actual left party would win non insignificant seats. Then they might actually have to compromise to the left instead of the fascist cliff they built as strategy and cry “but the Republicans!”
Oh i wasn’t aware they firebombed a Synagogue, that would be antisemitic!
What’s that? They firebombed a pro-genocide march full of people there because they are pro-genocide and not because of their religious or ethnic background?
If I was Jewish I would be offended at being likened to genocidal Zionists by politicians constantly.
I am Jewish and am offended at being likened to genocidal Zionists by politicians constantly.
Me too thanks
It would explain why at a recent pro-Palestinean protest I was told that it was the Jewish people there who seemed like they were the most ready to throw down. They must have been pissed at having their identities weaponized lol.
One of my coworkers whenever we got paired together would basically rant the whole time about how much she hates Israel and how sick she is of them claiming to represent her, “monsters doing genocide in my name”
Those damn antisemetic Jews I tell ya!
A lot of people very vocally are. The Zionist program of conflating Zionism with Judaism is insidious as shit.
Insidious and a deliberate tactic of zionists since the inception of the movement.
Zionism is just so fucked up man.
Yeah, I find it deeply upsetting.
I do not care about this attack. I do not care if any Zionists were hurt or killed. I do not care how many were killed or injured or how much their families suffered. I don’t care if Zionists feel safe in public. I don’t care if the attacks were antisemitic or not.
I have a hundred thousand times more compassion and sympathy for Zionists than the most kind and caring Zionist has for Palestinians.
zionists have been burning palestinian babies for 2 (75+)years. who cares if a few zionists got sunburned?
I legitimately hope every single one of those pieces of shit had their skin fuse to the polyester in their clothes. They deserve worse
At this point if every single Zionist were to die the world would be a much better place. The firebomber had the right idea.
I see Zio-Bernard and Lil’ Miss Sellout are still on their gaslighting “Supporting Oligarchy” circus tour.
I believe the proper Maoist standard english is “AOCIA” (lil miss sounds kinda uncomfortable jsyk)
I also call Hakeem Jeffries “Lil’ Nancy”, so I use it as more of a descriptive of their courage.
See, now this just sounds misogynistic. Can you please explain how you’re accusing a man of being a coward by calling him “Lil’ Nancy” and not doing so in a misogynistic way?
Not the person your responding to, but Hakeem Jeffries is Nancy Pelosi’s protegee. That’s probably the reference.
Not sure what it has to do with moral courage though, but I see these people as careerist ghouls more than cowards.
I’m actually not super sure I want to fight about this, especially since the person I responded to never responded. So feel free to ignore this comment, it really doesn’t matter much.
Your explanation makes sense, except that Bronstein_Tardigrade brought up that they call Hakeem Jeffries “Lil’ Nancy” as a rebuttal to Nakoichi saying calling AOC “Lil’ Miss” is uncomfortable (which I take to mean misogynistic, because it seems that way to me). And in that context, I don’t then understand the argument. Bronstein_Tardigrade gets asked to please not call AOC “Lil’ Miss”, because it’s uncomfortable (read, misogynistic), and then the response is “well that’s fine, I also call a man, Hakeem Jeffries, a similar nickname, so it’s not misogyny”. But like, isn’t it? In both cases? I’d argue at this point that actually calling AOC “Lil’ Miss” is more misogynistic then calling Hakeem Jeffries “Lil’ Nancy”, given your explanation for where the second one comes from. Plus, of course, saying these nicknames come about as “descript[ions] of their courage” really doesn’t help matters.
Misogyny is absolutely a problem on the left and I think we need to be very careful about it, including asking ourselves, truly asking ourselves, if our insulting nicknames for people actually hide some deeper bigotry, because that bigotry doesn’t harm the people we’re insulting, it harms our comrades. And Bronstein_Tardigrade calling people “Lil’ Miss” and “Lil’ Nancy” is far too close to the misogyny line for me to be comfortable with it.
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It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that aoc still hasn’t endorsed zohran
Like those stupid fundraising shaming / bandwagon emails.
Now flattened Bernie and AOCIA said it.
Why won’t you buy into the conflation of Zionism and Judiasm? How dare you not get in board! A good Democrat would. You’re a naughty leftist!
Whole thing is very sus
They are preparing to act on it, thats why.
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Hey this is anti semitic trash and what the entire fuck? No, people are no responsible for the actions of their vague coreligionists on the far side of the planet. Sharing an ethnic or religious group with a bunch of Nazis does not make you culpable for the crimes of those Nazis.
Yeah agree. Just because an ethnostate is doing a genocide doesn’t mean diaspora Jews deserve any sort of hatred/blowback at all on account of them being Jews
This is why the project must be explicitly anti-zionist, full stop. Any conflation of Jews with Israelis/Zionists is a real fucked up thing.
The second adventurists start bombing places of worship because western Jews are “complicit” (and again, complicity should only be judged by Zionism/support for Israel), the movement will lose massive amounts of legitimacy. Do not fucking go down this road.
What if those places of worship are actively involved in the theft and sale of palestinian land? Or does that break the “because” clause in your final paragraph?
It’s bad optics even if they are. The OG RAF did something like that and look how utterly zionist the “moderate” left became as a result.
Besides normies won’t understand and the Palestinian cause will lose a lot of popular momentum. Oh and say goodbye to all leftist organizations then.
Protesting those sales of stolen land are also “bad optics” because they’re labeled antisemitic. Do auctions of future gazan settlements get to happen unmolested because the zionists use synagogues as a shield?
In the current conditions and given the current capabilities of the Western antizionist movement, violent actions are restricted to random adventurism. There is no organized militia, cadre, or guerilla. It’s literally just random individuals like Elias Rodriguez or this firebomber guy.
Given that limitation, those of us who want an organized antizionist movement should oppose adventurism because we understand that it just gives the enemy more ammunition for reprisals. Violence shouldn’t be undertaken randomly and irresponsibly, it should be used tactically, especially at this stage of the struggle (of course, given the scale of genocide right now, it is already a failure of the Western left that we are in this stage while our comrades are being annihilated in Palestine).
Once the movement reaches a hypothetical higher stage where military operations actually can be carried out to execute a strategy, I don’t think zionists will even feel comfortable holding auctions of stolen land openly, so it’s a moot question.
Protesting isnt shooting up synagogues.
If you mean in Israel itself? Yeah I guess that’s a different kettle of fish. If it’s on occupied land in the war zone I don’t think that any of what I said applies.
However, anywhere else even if you could prove every member is explicitly funding and perpetuating the genocide, I’d suggest doing it at a house of worship muddles the message in a way that’s ultimately antithetical to the movement’s goals. The conflation of Zionism with Jewish religious expression is anathema to any real Zionist movement.
No, there are synagogues in America that actively auction off stolen palestinian land, and protests against such land theft have been labeled as antisemitic because of the location of the auction. The zionists choose to hold it at a house of worship, is the only response to not do anything? Just let them use synagogues as shields?
If you do something like that, it’s incredibly important that you are extremely fucking clear about what and why you are doing that. This is a near impossible task in the capitalist media landscape, so it’s probably not the best starting point.
Lost my comment damnit (stupid refresh).
Yes though. If you’re fully committed to some kind of adventurism then there’s got to be other targets that don’t serve to muddle the message and further the anti-Semitic slander that Jew=Zionist.
It’s simply not worth it. Even if you can prove every single person there is actively participating in the genocide, it’s simply not worth it.
Would be cool if they found themselves psychologically trapped in the buildings where this happens like in the film The Exterminating Angel.
I must have worded it poorly, I never meant to imply Western Jews are culpable for the crimes of Israrl
But they do have a major role to play in this conflict, whether they like it or mot, unfortunately
I understood what you meant, for what it’s worth.
It’s like White people and racism/colonization. If a decolonial struggle is going on and you’re White but don’t want to get caught up on the wrong side of it, probably best to start speaking up loudly about colonization and doing something. It’s not the responsibility of the ones in decolonial struggle to figure out your individual, personal views when you’re just standing around colonizers.
You expressed my thoughts far better than I did. Some libs have this reflexive need to moderate the debate by pointing towards the ‘hypocrisy’ of those supporting Palestine when there’s a fucking genocide going on. They get lost in the muck of debate when people are dying. Why not be on the safe side and vehemently fucking oppose mass starvation, state led terror, and absolute death?
Nah, you expressed yourself perfectly well. I didn’t think it was antisemitic at all.
But I totally agree. We all fall for it from time to time but there’s no need to debate with those whom John Brown would’ve shot. Debate perversion at this point is just genocide apologia.
Nah, you expressed yourself perfectly well. I didn’t think it was antisemitic at all.
Not going to lie, I’m kind of upset that I’m being called out for anti-semitism. Of course, I really regret if I offended anyone, my wording must have been really bad, but it’s been more than once I’ve been checked for an extremely low bar of anti-semitism on here.
That’s fair. I actually agree with the second part and we might even say that the reason they are being made to play a role is the very Zionist propaganda machine that conflates all Jews with Zionism and Israel. We have to resist that conflation as leftists at every turn.
Btw glad you’ve clarified comrade
Its also isn’t helping. Pushing all other people of Jewish faith into being scared and supporting Israel as a survival mechanism isn’t going to free Palestinians.
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Anti-genocide is now antisemitism. Ok, gotcha.
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